What is worse?

[donnashuggy]

Those that overstay their visa that fly in (majority)

or

Those that arrive by boat.......with the possibily of seeking asylum (unlikely) and sent back.

I generally keep up with what is going on and don't understand the governments fixation with boats when the numbers are the clear minority.

[donnashuggy]

Some are here with false passports, I know someone as recently as late last year that was doing just that. Particularly if they came years ago. It probably would be next to impossible to do it now but there are plenty that have been here for a very long time that are still claiming.

[spotweldersfriend]

You are right mr grizz.Predominantly Taiwanese and South Koreans.They work picking fruit & vegetables.Quite often they are ripped of by farmers who know they are illegal. I've also known Estonians and Germans who have done a 'runner'. Most of them like it here because of the lifestyle-climate,beaches etc. The dept. of immigration catches some every year. Some of you might say *But they're taking all our jobs" Well I can assure you that if you go into the local Centrelink office,you'll see young Aussies lodging their forms even though there is work to be had on those farms.Besides those Asians are hard workers. If it wasn't for them,the fruit would rot on the trees.

[donnashuggy]

and if those Taiwanese and South Koreans were here legally they would most likely be studying fulltime with 3 part time jobs 

[tall_bearded]

Well according to some it must be.

I mean the purpose of this thread is to examine which is worse.  Those who are from another country but enter the country in the normal way (with a passport and visa) and then decide to overstay, or those who arrive by boat from Indonesia.

Now both have/had valid travel documents to get on the plane, because they would never have been allowed to board without them.

So if I were an asylum seeker and I wanted to relocate to Australia, wouldn’t my best alternative be use my passport to buy a ticket for Australia, then rock up to immigration and claim sylum/refugee status; or in the alternative, if I didn’t want to be detained until my application was sorted out, get a visitor’s visa and simply not go back and if I then get caught – claim asylem..

Would have thought bets a $100000 or so bill for a short stay in a substandard, overcrowded, structurally not too sound,  overpriced Indonesian hotel room followed by a dangerous passage in a leaky boat hands down every time 

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Some are here with false passports, I know someone as recently as late last year that was doing just that. Particularly if they came years ago. It probably would be next to impossible to do it now but there are plenty that have been here for a very long time that are still claiming.

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What's changed in regards to proof of identity requirements for the purpose of claiming social benefit payments between then and now?  I think they used to have a point system and even those with permanent residency sometimes struggled to meet the requirements.

[donnashuggy]

So if I were an asylum seeker and I wanted to relocate to Australia, wouldn’t my best alternative be use my passport to buy a ticket for Australia, 

They can't get a visa to Australia, Indonesia gives them one however 🙂

Many people go to New Zealand first because they can often take that route and get entry here legally.

[donnashuggy]

Computers have changed everything meep

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So if I were an asylum seeker and I wanted to relocate to Australia, wouldn’t my best alternative be use my passport to buy a ticket for Australia, then rock up to immigration and claim sylum/refugee status; or in the alternative, if I didn’t want to be detained until my application was sorted out, get a visitor’s visa and simply not go back and if I then get caught – claim asylem..

Either I am missing something or that does not make any sense.

[donnashuggy]

Clive Palmer wants to fly them in meep, makes a lot of sense in some respects.

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Computers have changed everything meep

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Computers have been around for a long time.   I don't believe there are thousands of visa overstayers registered with Centrelink/DHS.