What is worse?

[donnashuggy]

Those that overstay their visa that fly in (majority)

or

Those that arrive by boat.......with the possibily of seeking asylum (unlikely) and sent back.

I generally keep up with what is going on and don't understand the governments fixation with boats when the numbers are the clear minority.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@**meep** wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I think the government should be investigating the bogus claims of those arriving on student visas 🙂

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If breaches are reported, does the department just ignore them?

Education providers will be required to report students who breach course progress or attendance requirements to us and must still  inform the student that they intend to report the visa condition breach.

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Conditions are very strict of those on student visa's. They  have their attendance recorded for tutorials etc. If they don't attend class and therefore won't pass their exams that will affect their eligibility to remain as well. Australian Uni's wouldn't cope financially without the extra income foreign students bring.

For example, the thread here about the young man from Vietnam who was bashed and unable to attend Uni for part/most of a semesterThat affected his eligiblity to remain in Aust on a student visa.

When I was at Uni we signed/initialed attendance sheets for every weekly tutorials/workshops/seminars. The form was handed around the class to sign

Some foreign students would sign in for their friends if they were absent. So 1 or 2 go to class and sign in for the rest that don't.

However, they come unstuck one day when there was only about 8 in the class (the tutor was useless) and they signed in about 20 names of absent students. 

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We have roll call, we sit in our seats and the tutor calls out our name. We then take a copy of our homework submission up to the desk, have a second copy iof our homework initialled by the tutor (so that we have our answers for class to make notes on) and awe get  handed back the marked homework submissions from the week before at the end of the tute as we leave.

Some courses we actually get given marks for doing our homework and handing it in.

If we are unable to attend a tutorial, we have the opportunity to make it up during a private consultation with the tutor.

I don't think there is anyway of knowing if we turn up to lectures though and most of those are available through lecture capture any3way, but no idea how they would know who logged onto my student portal to view the lecture anyway.

[donnashuggy]

especially if looking for someone else to agree with you.

I definitely don't post here in search of someone to agree with me, gosh 🙂

[cherry*135]

No, attendance not recorded for lectures. Although, we did have one lecturer that got us to tick off an attendance sheet for a while.. it was just for his own use.. to note how many people attended each lecture etc. He may even have been tallying it up with students results.. who did well that attended lectures etc, did people that didn't attend regularly not do so well etc.

[cherry*135]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

especially if looking for someone else to agree with you.

I definitely don't post here in search of someone to agree with me, gosh 🙂

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You must have been 'looking' to make this observation

just a bit surprised that nobody else has said this, unless I missed it. 

No, you didn't miss it, nobody else said that.

[tall_bearded]

Ah the old I disagree therefore must be less informed argument. 

Yes the doctor you cite was running for his life.  But he is we’ll educated, well connected, has skills that everyone wants and as such, wasn’t going to spend too much time (if any) under canvas in a refugee camp.  So why is his more deserving of place in Australia than an uneducated Syrian goat herder who fled to Turkey because government gunships thought it sport to take a pot shot at him and his goats every time they fly by? 

I mean is his need greater, or I it just a case of he is more deserving because he is better skilled and educated and has skill that we may want.

[donnashuggy]

I am sure you are a lovely person am3 🙂

[cherry*135]

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@am*3 wrote:

Kevin Rudd in his last shot at being PM went down the same route - addressing/focussing on the large increase in numbers for IMA's arriving in Australia. If this thread is a 'dig' at the Liberal Govt  it is a failure.

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As posted earlier, no misleading, plain as day to me.

[**meep**]

Found some statistics:

2012-2013 - there were 2150 people who did NOT arrive by boats that applied for a protection visas.

Primary grant rates: Sep Qtr - 35.3%, Dec Qtr - 30%, March Qtr - 33.2%

Finally determined grant rates: (after reviews)  Sep Qtr - 59.95%, Dec Qtr - 49.2%, March Qtr - 54.7%

For the same period there were 7464 people who arrived by boats whose refugee status determinations commenced with primary grant rates for:

Sep Qtr - 81.5%, Dec Qtr - 45.5%, March Qtr - 65.3%

Finally determined grant rates (after reviews) - Sep Qtr - 95.4%, Dec Qtr  - 82.4%, March Qtr - 90.5%
 

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Yes the bottom line is the numbers, how many boat arrivals have their been this year/llast year?

How many fly in each day?

How many bogus claims are made by those on student visas seeking asylum?....as an example

How many just stay and hide?

How many potential overstayers?

The problem is larger than reported, I'd rather take someone that was so desperate that they got on a boat than someone with a bogus claim with papers.

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I get where you are coming from and agree with the sentiment.

BUT,

The overstayers have at some point at least gone through some kind of identuity and background checks, so even though they're being naughty, they've already undergone somer security and scrutiny measures to be allowed to enter, but a person with no papers, we need the opportunity to do those same kinds of checks too.

Sure, most are probably genuine, but it only takes one who is not, And there are some pretty evil and tweisted people in this world who go to great lengths to set up their plans, and are oprepared to wait and take years. And we have seen other lengths peo0ple will go to for a cause they believe in.

I acknowledge that no person who has ever been granted asylum in Australia has been convicted of crimes associated with Terrorism. But that doesn't mean it will never happen.

So I think that everyone has to undergo the background checks and security checks, however they come beause if it becomes known that there are some circumstances that we aren't dilligent and cautious, then people with bad intentions will take advantage of that. If there is a loophole, someone will always discover it.

I know it doesn't guarantee that anyone given clearance won't "turn bad", but it has to reduce the chances, doesn't it?

[cherry*135]

Agree, crikey, most of those points made here earlier to.