How bizarre that the church can so brainwash it's members into believing that they have been 'tricked' etc into marriage so that a religious anullment means anything at all ..... 
In reality, no legal standing at all .... 
Yes I know that Julia, the point is, that in my opinion, "canon law" in terms of marriage is so artificial and a method of control for the church members, that's all it is.
Nothing to do with civil law indeed, I agree, and that, as far as I'm concerned, turns it into nothing 'law' .. just something designed to keep the followers fearful ... 
Therefore I see it as having no legal standing, even for the church.
I don't need, ask, want or require anyone to agree with me, and I don't speak for anyone else ... 
No, nobody claimed otherwise, however,I didn't enter the discussion on that premise ...
I know a few catholics who don't follow all catholic canon law as it stands, and I do admire their ability, tenacity and intelligence not to, but to stay in it under those circumstances, it might be argued, is a symptom of faith that works with serious doubts.
Hi Trish xxx so good to see you here again, have missed you.
I believe the new pope Francis is a breath of fresh air as far as popes go and agree with you that he is fighting an uphill battle that may well be futile now, guess it's a wait and see game, but a game that is possibly too little too late because all the damage was done centuries ago and carries through.
"I think every religion has an aspect that is out of touch"
That, I agree with you 100% Julia, kudos to you ...
