Why are people such staunch Labor voters?

[curmu-curmu]

Particularly when every Labor governement in living history has amounted such huge debts whilst in office?

Or is it just that they blindly follow the old mantra, that 'Labor is for the working man?'

Now don't get me wrong - I don't particularly like Abbott, and I sure as h3ll didn't like Rudd or Gillard, but there's so much more to a political party than it's leader.

Feel free to discuss...

[iapetus_rocks]

Yes, that is part of what I'm talking about. It's just one example.

It's also about people buying up a 15% share in one of our national newspapers in an attempt to influence public opinion, promote a certain point of view and to suppress another.

It's about state govts, who have been bought and bribed to sell our essential farmlands to overseas interests who will use them up (for a short time only) and ship the profits overseas and leave us with an unproductive wasteland.

It's about all of the above . . . it's about people who want personal profit at the expense of those who they callously exploit.

It's also about those who defend these people even though they are exploited themselves but who cannot or who refuse to see that.

[poddster]

Where's our sovereign fund?

The lefties squandered last surplus we had

[poddster]

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@j*oono wrote:

Obviously you are talking about the mining industry that brings in foreign workers on 457 visas.  It is pretty disgusting.  No regard for even their family, let alone their country.

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You mean like the previous Prime Minister whos's advisor who  was brought in on a 547? Mr. McTernan I believe, fine example huh?

[j*oono]

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@poddster wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Obviously you are talking about the mining industry that brings in foreign workers on 457 visas.  It is pretty disgusting.  No regard for even their family, let alone their country.

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You mean like the previous Prime Minister whos's advisor wha brought in on a 547? Mr. McTernan I believe, fime example huh?

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Really?  I think he was happy to do the job for nothing and wasn't relying on the pittance that most 457's are willing to accept.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

Why thy obsession with wealthy people?

If you compare yourself with others there will always be greater and lesser people than yourself, no doubt you have done just that for a long time, hence you current attitude to most things

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I don't have an obsession with wealthy people but I have a significant awareness that they are the people who are bent on becoming even more wealthy (because they are hungry ghosts) and cannot be satisfied with what they have.

They want more and they will even destroy a country, a landscape, a people, in order to acquire even more.

How much better could you live if you "earned" one billion dollars a year, than if you only earned 100 million dollars per year?

You'd need a very good imagination to answer that question.

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The truth is, it is not really so much about wealth as about  power -  the more money you have the more power you can buy, but to keep that power you need to  control the people who make the money for you, and influence the people who make that control possible - which is why the big players pour money into Conservative governments and  buy controlling interests in media outlets. 

The ALP receives a large percentage of it's funding from the Unions, who doubtless hope that a Labor government will deliver more power and better conditions to the workers they represent. but Union funding for the ALP  falls far short of the money put into the LNP by mining and big business - and it would be naivein the extreme to imagine they give it out of any spirit of philanthropy.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/28/australia-political-donations-parties

[myoclon1cjerk]

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@poddster wrote:

Where's our sovereign fund?

The lefties squandered last surplus we had

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And the Libs squandered the 3 or 4 before that,unless you can enlighten me on infrastructure etc that they used the money on that I'm not aware of.

[iapetus_rocks]

. . . and it would be naive in the extreme to imagine they give it out of any spirit of philanthropy.

They are  hungry ghosts who cannot be satisfied no matter how much they eat and no matter how many people's lives they consume.

I'm not sure why relatively poor people support the right-wing side of politics.

Could it be that they hold some illusion that they might one day rise in the ranks to join those who trample on the weak and suck up their blood?

The right wing are either those who have made their money on the backs of those who they have exploited, or are those who are still trying to do so.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Some of them probably still buy that trickle down effect line,which has been shown to be a lot of rubbish.Trickle up is more like it.

[polksaladallie]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
It's the right who do most of the button pushing.

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No it isn't and you know why??? because of all the right members who are no longer on here.

So another knee jerk response without knowing the facts man, gotta get the facts.

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Oh, they're still here.  

[idlewhile]

I have never heard that the most hare brained and lethal idea that the lunatic politics of Rudd  (pink batts) was a good thing for anybody.

It cost billions to implement and billions to rip them all out and replace them, it cost 4 young lives.

But hey, you got FREE insulation...yaaayyy

We will be paying off Labors debt for decades but who cares as long as you got your handout eh!