Why are there still so much hostility towards immigrants?

[the_bob_delusion]

Almost half of the Aussies want immigration reduced. What is it about immigrants that people dislike or are scared of? What does that say about us in general?

How does increase immigration benefit are harm you specifically?  Is it any immigrants or are you more for or against a particular nationality?

Discuss.

[katistrophik]

Get over yourself 4C - and for goodness sake stop harping on about old topics - they have been done by you, if you wanna add to your drag queen darp - find it

As to Shallow thinking - you need to just try PLAIN old thinking. Or at the least read the OP

No mention made of: but what the heck has that got to do with people escaping oppression or just wanting to come here for a better life? 

[springyzone]

Almost half of the Aussies want immigration reduced. What is it about immigrants that people dislike or are scared of? What does that say about us in general?

How does increase immigration benefit are harm you specifically?  Is it any immigrants or are you more for or against a particular nationality?-

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You've made a classic mistake. You seem to think those objecting to more immigration are simply long term aussies.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

Some of your biggest supoorters of cutting out migration or limiting it in certain areas is with some of the aussies who were originally born overseas.

There are a lot of reasons for wanting some limits.

The first is overcrowding. If you're not living in the metro area, you wouldn't have a clue, but things are out of hand. Blocks getting smaller and smaller, too many subdivided properties, meaning double the traffic on small roads, traffic jams every day and night so it takes 90 minutes for a 25 min journey.

People are fed up.

The best thing about covid is it has stopped the immigration and given us all a break.

It is okay for politicians, they don't live in high migrant areas or in outer suburbs. It's all very well to rave about multiculturalism if you're not having to cope with it.

The negs as I see them

-overcrowding, services not keeping up

-too many kids coming into schools with little or no English, then having to sit naplan tests in 18 months and teachers being slapped over the knuckles because their school is 'underperforming' according to the state average.

-some ethnic groups throwing up far too high stats in violence, gang membership. Particularly true of Africans. No, I am not saying they are all violent. Just that there are too many who are. I don't particularly care why either, we can play that game till the cows come home, it doesn't change the fact that they are are causing trouble Yes, we have sectors who say it is 'all our fault' but regardless, if it can't be changed then the obvious thing to do is cut down drastically in migration from areas we aren't coping well with.

-welfare. We're being taken for a ride in some areas. I have friends who work in hospitals so I can pinpoint where. Number 1, polygamy. Muslim men with several wives, most of them getting the single mother's benefit. They are reasonably open about it.

Number 2, access to our medical services eg operations in the public sector. Some members of some ethnic communities hire out their medicare card. As long as you do this for people who will go to different public hospitals, you can get away with it at the moment as there isn't cross referencing or a single computer network that would show the one person had had an unusuallly high number of ops etc

Number 3 though probably needs to go first, some groups, after 5 years, have an unacceptably high number of unemployed. Again, you can blame it on 'us' but the real problem is often lack of qualifications and lack of English.

And if you think I am anti migrant, I really am not, I am fine with anyone coming here if they make an effort to fit in and live peacefully. 

And  longer term migrants are some of the most vocal about this. They had to make a go of things, they came here for a better life, so they get annoyed if they see other migrants not making an effort or making trouble.

[4channel]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

Almost half of the Aussies want immigration reduced. What is it about immigrants that people dislike or are scared of? What does that say about us in general?

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You know the_bob_delusion, I marvel at the lack of compassion many folk have when they assess the situation of an immigrant  or refugee coming to these shores.  A lot of keen-eyed people have made note of the fact that when the immigrant happens to be non-Caucasian or of a Middle Eastern faith such as Islam, even Sikh etc.,  certain  myths  are regurgitated. Some times the most vile of urban myths are applied.

Due to some people having phobias, deep-rooted fears of anything unfamiliar they become unwitting pawns and are easily manipulated by those people with nefarious and insidious agendas. This is recognized by some of these nasty manipulators and it is played upon with sometimes horrendous results. Then there are these selfish folk who believe that .... "This country was built by us " meaning people who "look like us" but these selfish folk are either deliberately ignoring the true history of Australia or they are incapable of relating to it. Either way they do the greater population no favours.

My mentioning of the  drag queens in libraries reading stories to children agenda as well as the effects from cell-phone towers harming the young is to put into perspective as to what's actually taking place. This can be a reality check and a reminder to look properly at things.  These two different issues that I mentioned can be of concern to subscribers of both the left and right paradigms. When immigrants are blamed for things that are supposedly taking place, it's good to look at the bigger picture. If half of the mythical things about immigrants said to be taking place were true, they wouldn't come close to anything which is taking place in reality right now.

The old phrases like ....  "We can't do that in their country" or the other nasty one, "If you like them so much then why don't you go and live in their country" are cleverly contrived sayings used to by-pass the issue and go to the emotions of the other person in the conversation. This is done to dilute the compassion they may feel in relation to this issue as well as stifle debate.

The people who come to Australia shouldn't have their worthiness judged on what goes on in their country or origin.  Sadly some political parties in Australia rely on this ignorance to get votes. Currently immigrants worthiness is sometimes gauged by politicians and media stooges who don't mind being racist bigots. Anyone taking the time to look further into this will soon come to the conclusion that there is another agenda. Then you have certain people who make their racist thoughts known while hiding under a rock.

With the so called reasons people use to say that Australia needs to review its intake of people from certain ethnic or religious backgrounds, I see no evidence of validity in these reasons given.

Maybe Australia needs to look at how many extra people can be settled here but that's another issue. Many people speaking about this issue have an issue not with how many people can be sensibly settled, theirs is something else!

[domino-710]

Seems this new setup hasn't solved picturesque scrollers. 😂

[katistrophik]

Nor of forever rambling off topic and trying desperately to bring a post back to what they want it to be about - namely thier views on everything but the topic.

Example - I say again, this topic has NOTHING to do with refugee's or immigrants escaping persection and oppression - were that in the topic of discusiion my replies would have been different.

Just another feeble attempt to have a shot at me - and it seems I gave him the amunitiion he needed as he now knows I am an ex pat Kiwi - I take it that's where the Christhcurch link came from in Post #10

He tries, I'll give him that 😂

[domino-710]

Trying is one thing - failing another altogether. lol

[4channel]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

Almost half of the Aussies want immigration reduced. What is it about immigrants that people dislike or are scared of? What does that say about us in general?

How does increase immigration benefit are harm you specifically?  Is it any immigrants or are you more for or against a particular nationality?

Discuss.

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There are more aspects to this topic than just what we see on the surface with people's reaction to immigration.

The questions you ask such as the below,

* "What is it about immigrants that people dislike or are scared of? "
* "What does that say about us in general? "

Well, they are best answered with other factors being taken into account. I'd just like to add to that if someone says that the views I have expressed on this situation are "off-topic" and that "this has NOTHING to do with refugee's or immigrants escaping persecution and oppression"., well, I believe they are incorrect!  Both how people perceive refugees and immigrants can have  a lot to do with misunderstanding or the deliberate refusal to relate to their plight.

When engaging in debates such as these,  people do end up saying untrue things about others in bids to counter what another has said. I won't go into the reasons.  I myself would never sink to bringing in an horrific event to somehow have a dig at them, a country where they say they're from.  To use a tragic event to discredit another isn't my thing.

* So, with what people dislike or are scared of, I think we do have to look at how and why people's perception of things and what they believe to be true. Often the perception is a result of info manipulation by someone else with a certain agenda. It can also have a lot to do with how people were brought up and what they were exposed to when they were young. The same goes for the current belief. People plug in to the mainstream news and they take a lot of what they see to be fact. From what I have seen with our mainstream news, some of the presentation of fact is actually factual distortion and the re-positioning of what should be in proper context. The imagery and timing of certain words can affect people in ways they don't realize. Two main channels in Australia are the biggest offenders.

* And  with .... "What does that say about us in general?".   I'd say that our society needs to be more compassionate. We need to be more educated and gain a better understanding into the circumstances of a lot of immigrants.

[springyzone]

The main thing you need to focus on is what you want for our society.

Most people want a functioning, peaceful society.

They want reasonable access to amenities such as health services. They want access to education for their children and the chance to get a job.

They want a reasonable standard of law and order and to be able to go about their everyday lives in reasonable safety.

Nothing is ever absolute and there will always be some prejudice and some unfairness but on the whole, most migrants have settled in and done okay. They have had to work at it in a lot of cases.

But if certain new migrants go off the rails, are extremely violent or become criminals, I don't believe that is of benefit to our society, I'd deport them. If we find migrant numbers are too high for our services to cope with, I'd lower intake till we got more on top of things. If we weren't coping well with certain groups or they weren't coping well here, I'd limit the numbers coming in so that those who did come in had more access to support.

[4channel]

I can appreciate what you say springyzone and there are some points I do agree with in your post.

First of all though, we have to look at what our society is and who it is made up of. Well, Australia is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society. It's also a multi-faith society with the three great Abrahamic faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam being the main with Hinduism and Buddhism etc. as well. Some of the people who post here in this forum are from various racial and religious groups. I dare say some would let on more about their backgrounds if it wasn't for some nasty people that lurk in forums like these.

People can say .... "Well, look at Asian criminals, gambling and drugs etc.. If you deported them all then you wouldn't have any of that". Or ... "Look at African gangs. If they were never allowed in the country then we wouldn't have any of that problem". And that in part may be true. I just want to say springyzone that I know that this is not what you're suggesting etc.. I'm just using examples. And people have said ... "Oh if the Italians were never allowed here then we couldn't have criminal rackets and Mafia etc.". Well, I've heard them all and most of the variants. Well, what could be said about Caucasian people, Anglo Saxons in particular? Well, if they were never sent here and were allowed to breed then we wouldn't have???? Well, we wouldn't have white men involved in criminal activities like we have now. We wouldn't have corrupt politicians, rapists, murderers, violent thugs, narcotics importation, bikie gangs, perverted pedophile priests an established irremovable criminal underworld like we have now. So what's the difference in people? I think not much!

I've met and interacted with quite a few people of different African origins. The majority I have come across are decent, polite and kind natured people. Many are very well educated and much more refined than anyone you may come across in say, The One Nation Party. Many are conservative and have good old fashioned values. I think that it is highly unfair that they become painted with the same brush as one particular group of immigrants that are having issues in basically one Australian city.

The gang culture in Melbourne mainly is due to a number of factors. Inability to find employment, alienation, peer pressure and subscribing to an American genre of violent music and culture that shouldn't be peddled on these shores. And what colour are the profiteers? No surprise that the main profiteers are not of the same background as the musical and cultural props!

Yes some have problems settling and that needs to be looked at. I believe that there are much better ways of addressing this issue. Real solutions can be implemented but a broader perspective other than what is here now is needed.

There may be too many people coming into Australia as a whole and perhaps immigration needs to be reduced. What we don't need though is this issue to be hijacked by certain groups for their own nefarious agendas.

[domino-710]

LOL - there is not one thing mentioned that hasn't been committed by a 4th generation Australian.