Why is Bureau of Met manipulating data re Cyclone Marcia ?

[vicr3000]

Why is Bureau of Met manipulating data re Cyclone Marcia ?

They said it was a Cat 5 cyclone, yet all the wind speeds, sustained and gusts show that it was only a Cat 3.

In addition, the pressure level never got down to a Cat 5.

And regardless of the better building codes compared to Darwin/Tracy in 1974, the damage was no where near a Cat 5.

For a start, the trees still had leaves on them. In all the Cat 5 cyclones in the last 30 years, no trees had leaves

left on them.

In addition, "Data for Middle Percy Island has disappeared from the BOM site, but Jennifer Marohasy kept a copy.

(I’m sure the BOM will be grateful!)..."

Have a read of this.

http://joannenova.com.au/

IN ADDITION

It seems some of the media outlets wewre dissapointed that the damage wasn't worse. That was the impression I got.

Almost like Disaster porn.

Any comments ?

[idlewhile]

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@downeyas wrote:

Was anyone in eBay in Darwin when Cyclone Tracy went through? I was and believe me it was as bad as it could be. Early Christmas Eve the cyclone went back out to sea, sighs of relief were heard all round and then everyone got on with Christmas Eve parties.

But it came back in and only 1 person had stayed back at the bureau, & it was he that got the news out to the rest of Oz

Quote 1  "By the time it made landfall, Tracy was packing ferocious winds, with gusts officially estimated at up to 230 km/h—the Bureau’s anemometer at Darwin Airport reached 217 km/h before it was wrecked by flying debris".

Quote 2 "While the official estimate holds maximum wind gusts of about 230 km/h, reconstructions of the night have placed the winds at the Radio Australia transmission station at Charles Point, near where Tracy made landfall, as high as 300 km/h".

http://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/625/remembering-cyclone-tracy-lessons-from-a-perfect-storm

I was living in a Darwin suburb at the time and we weren't hit as bad as other places but it was bad enough. We all got evacuated, I went to my sister in Perth but returned to Darwin when we were allowed and no I was NOT a child at the time with bent memories.

Were there leaves still on the trees? yes, some, but only in the less hit places.

Was there any power or clean water? nope.

Was there looting? oh you better believe it, my place had next to nothing left in it when I returned with my kids.

Did the Navy do the clean-up? yes some of them did but it was mainly the Army that did the dirty work.

Was the death toll only 60 - 90 people? NO! it was much higher than that but no one will ever know the true number

So vicr, just shut your mouth, you weren't there so you don't know - believe everything you read do you? what a fool you are - Sandra

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I wasn't  there but I don't believe doing the old Vietnam thing "you weren't there man"  entitles you to tell a member to shut his mouth.

[vicr3000]

Sandra, Downey

No, I wasn't there. But plenty of my friends who I stay with yearly were, all who have personal photo albums,

not the usual one's on the net.

And none of them were Evacuated because they all had Gov't jobs so some interesting insights into what

went on afterwards.

Re looting, a comment was made that being armed (being Gov't Rangers) helped a lot in stopping looters !

[idlewhile]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

There were predictions of this summer being our worst bushfire season yet, but we've barely even had a summer. They've pulled out that prediction every year since the Black Saturday fires. Scaremongering.

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Ah yes, 2014 the hottest ever (of course it is if you take out the very high temps from 60 - 100 years ago ),

then we have the summer that never came !!!

Not much commenntary on that.

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This is the blatant manipulation of figures that has resulted in an inquiry as to why they are doing this.

And the " hottest summer on record"? is that like the Flannery "angry summer" comment.

The BOM has been corrupted to the extent that it needs to be completely overhauled, we need to have confidence in it and sadly they are running their own agenda, have been corrupted.

Re the 2 so called cat 5 cyclones, one was downgraded to a low before it made landfall and the other never got near cat 5.

One only has to look at their total failure to predict the catastrophic Brisbane floods, they ignored anecdotal evidence phoned in, phone calls from people up the line telling them of the rise in water.

[punch*drunk]

The flooding that I mentioned earlier happened at a time I was quite interested in weather events and spent a lot of time on forums and checking various forecasts, the ONLY place that didnt predict 100mm+ of rain for that day was the BOM. I think they forecast about 20mm. In fact I was starting to feel a bit foolish about having told people there was 100mm of rain coming later in the week....until it happened!

Perhaps they need to upgrade their computers or something, or maybe its the missing years of data that accounts for their inability to get things right when other forecasters can.

In fact why are we even relying on machines to predict weather, its probably the kind of thing that we need humans with experience and knowledge to be doing.

[gleee58]

What missing years of data?

[vicr3000]

Punch

Likewise, I find the weather fascinating and look, follow and research it, especially if I am "out bush".

I have found local knowledge also counts.


Agree with you re the floods. Was not a good look all round.

[idlewhile]

The public were calling in to tell them of the rising water, water they hadn't seen this high ever, they ignored it.

..and the Bligh govt kept the Wivenhoe dam full because of the outrageous "global warming assertions of Flannery that;  "even if the rain falls it will never fill up our dams again".

This, under Labor when they were spending $billions building white elephant de sal plants in every state, captured by the "global warming" fraudsters, the rent seekers who bled this country of billions under "the greatest moral challenge of out time RUDD" who jettisoned that little moral vanity when he saw the collapse of the Copenhagen fiasco and Gillard told him to drop it.

So, yes, the BOM is corrupted by the "global warming" groupthink and needs to be completely overhauled and lets hope the inquiry does that.

[vicr3000]

Aah yes, the de salination plants.

And just before that, we also had years of low dams, some almost dry and were told they would never fill up again

so we spent Billions of $$$ on a white elephant.

Funnily enough, in the early 1980's, I drove across Lake Eildon at Bonnie doon and up and down the lake

for a fair distance in my Ford Escort.

A few years later, I launch about 5 or 6 Army boats and motored all the way up to the dam one night,

did the "Raid" on the dam and then motored all the way back.

A decade later, Bonnie Doon was dry again.

[wilk1149]

Seems strange to be whinging that we are nit in that severe a drought that we need our desalination plants. One could claim that it is wasted money or is it better to have built them now so that the costs are actually cheaper than when we will need them. Desalination plants are a bit like the NBN. better to spend the money now than have to do it later when it will cost more. Eventually we will all have fibre to the home but in the future when it is too late and cost billions more

[idlewhile]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

Aah yes, the de salination plants.

And just before that, we also had years of low dams, some almost dry and were told they would never fill up again

so we spent Billions of $$$ on a white elephant.

Funnily enough, in the early 1980's, I drove across Lake Eildon at Bonnie doon and up and down the lake

for a fair distance in my Ford Escort.

A few years later, I launch about 5 or 6 Army boats and motored all the way up to the dam one night,

did the "Raid" on the dam and then motored all the way back.

A decade later, Bonnie Doon was dry again.

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Agree 🙂 I hink what you are trying to say is "it's the weather stoopid".