Yes? No?

[springyzone]

Not necessarily asking for people to reveal their own personal opinions, just-

What do you think is going to come in?

My prediction-no by a landslide, except perhaps in some inner Melbourne electorates.

[imastawka]

Australians reject Indigenous recognition via Voice to Parliament, referendum set for defeat (msn.co...

[myoclon1cjerk]

That's the same Vikki Campion who's Barnaby Joyce's partner. She works for the Murdoch press. No mention of the money spent on the No campaign and also no mention why these communities never got any water tanks whilst the LNP were in power for the previous 12 years.

[springyzone]

I had never thought who or what groups would profit from all the publicity campaigns but it really is a shame if even that money has gone overseas.

We don't need a referendum or change to the constitution to use some common sense. If some law or funding or whatever is being discussed, surely you would consult with the groups that will feel the impact, whether that is aboriginal groups, migrants, disabled etc?

I think the problem with remote communities is that they are remote. The water tank issue is one that seems pretty easy to me. If any group or political party wanted to fix that, it could be done in months. It's a very clearcut, single issue, easy to understand thing.

If the referendum had been-Should we supply 500 remote communities with water tanks? the answer would have been yes.

The issue of power is a harder one. If a small group of people set up in a remote location,  they cannot necessarily expect a power connection as such. They can't necessarily expect a school or shops nearby either. There probably won't be many local jobs. Remoteness comes at a high price.

A massive problem is poverty & it is generational.

We need a task force to focus on fixing some of the practical issues but I think it needs a mix of people on it, not just Aboriginal people by any means.

I'll tell you a true story, from Vic and not a remote area.

The son in law of a friend of mine is a chef but a lot of his work is in social welfare. He was employed at a place that catered for mainly aboriginal boys in care, but because of the regulations, his boss had to be aboriginal. The man in charge though didn't have the skills, was often absent and there was a lot of waste of money going on. I forget all the details but I think, for instance, there was a lot of takeaway bought. The son  in law wanted to cut down on that and teach the boys some basic cooking but this was vetoed. In the end he quit in frustration as he had no voice.

There always have to be some voices, but that should go more on expertise and not just or even primarily on race.

[countessalmirena]

"That people who have only been on this continent for 235 years would refuse to recognise those whose home this land has been for 60,000 and more years is beyond reason," they said.

"It was never in the gift of these newcomers to refuse recognition to the true owners of Australia.

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Underlining is mine. I find that reference to “true owners” a problem.

That sort of wording is indicative of race-based division and an underlying sense that people whose ancestors were here for thousands of years have more right to Australia than people whose ancestors were here for hundreds of years, or who came to Australia perhaps 50 years ago… to make a new life, to flee oppression, whatever it may be. It is disturbing; it doesn’t speak to me of reconciliation but of separation.

To turn the vote outcome into a racism and prejudice accusation against the majority of Australians is illogical . "Much will be asked about the role of racism and prejudice against Indigenous people in this result.” — It seems clear that Yes23 don’t accept other viewpoints as having validity and worth, and read their own interpretation into the motives of others. 

[domino-710]

The Australian Constitution is a set of rules on which our laws are made - our country governed.

For all Australians.

[padi*0409]

In regards to our "wonderful" prime minister these old adages come to mind...........

"Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery"

And...........

"Couldn't organise a bunkup in a brothel"

[domino-710]

LOL - Padi,

As for his little speach last night - oh brother.

Edit : Spelling on purpose.

[padi*0409]

Sadly I missed his speech - I was too busy celebrating...................

[not_for_sale2025]

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@countessalmirena wrote:

"To turn the vote outcome into a racism and prejudice accusation against the majority of Australians is illogical . "Much will be asked about the role of racism and prejudice against Indigenous people in this result.” — It seems clear that Yes23 don’t accept other viewpoints as having validity and worth, and read their own interpretation into the motives of others". 

This referendum was always going to be about racism. In the build up to the referendum Labor Politicians stated that Australia would be viewed by the world as a racist country if "No" won and, "Labor MP Ged Kearney said she feared that if the referendum on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament failed it will be a victory for 'hateful and racist' Australians".

Given that many indigenous Australians voted "No", are they now racists too? The spirit behind the "Yes" vote was to only give the ATSI people a voice in the Constitution, while the spirit behind the "No" vote was to reject divisiveness, support inclusion and strive for a "We are one and free" nation, as our national anthem was amended to state. The change was made to help foster a ‘spirit of unity’. So who really are the racists?

This referendum can still benefit indigenous Australians if the Government can resist it's history of inaction and finally do something about the serious problems facing Aborigines in many of their communities. Warren Mundine tried to talk about this last night before he was shut down. He spoke of the poverty, violence, rape and youth suicide which must be addressed.

We didn't need a Voice Referendum to learn about these horrors, they are very well known but buried deeply in the 'too hard basket'. The PM and his politicians need to do their jobs and act on the vast knowledge they already have about the struggles of indigenous Australians. If Albanese's tears were real we might finally see some evidence of Government action.

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[domino-710]

I think Albo's tears were for himself.

Why not ask why these remote communities are living as they are - where have the millions upon millions already spent - gone.

Who benefited - well - other than Pearson.

What could the amount spent on a doomed referendum have done for these communities.

I'd like to see the inside of some padded pockets.