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**bleep** victim could have 'closed her legs', Lawyer tells Court

A young Wellington woman raped by a bouncer in an alleyway could have "closed her legs" if she didn't want sex, the man's lawyer told a jury.

Keith Jefferies was addressing the Wellington District Court in defence of George Jason Pule, who was found guilty of **bleep** the drunk 20-year-old after telling her he could help get her into a club to see her friends.

His comments were condemned after the verdict as "disgusting" and "disrespectful" by Wellington **bleep** Crisis manager Natalie Gousmett.

They come in the wake of the Roast Busters scandal, in which a group of young Auckland men boasted online of having sex with drunken girls as young as 13.

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what is the petition for?

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To have these guys charged.According to info,one of these lads is the son of a police officer.
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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
.According to info,one of these lads is the son of a police officer.

No surprise to me.

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@azureline** wrote:

Lawyers say many things in defence of their clients! I wonder why this is so newsworthy?


I agree. The issue could have been raised in a less sensational way.. newspapers are looking for readers, they don't care how they present a story.

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Roastbusters is different and needs investigating( different than a defence lawyers words in court aimed at the jury).

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@cspotrunning wrote:
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a lot of men are pigs and a lot of women are fools.


so that makes it ok?

 

No woman should be treated like that regardles of what she wears or if she is effected by some substance, EVER

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and no child should be abused (or anyone, actually) no one should be murdered, no one should break into other people's homes or steal their possessions, no one should break the road rules and no one should break the law, but people do. So doesn't it make sense for the vulnerable to protect themselves? To do something to minimize the risk of harm?

 

Drivers take defensive driving courses to minimize the risk from those who break the road rules.

 

We put locks on our doors and possessions to stop people taking them.

 

Lots of people take preventative measures to minimize the risk of murder, abduction and assault.

 

None of these people should HAVE to, but they do in order to minimize their risk of becoming a victim.

 

No one "should" be raped under any circumstances, but it does happen, so a person needs to take some responsibility for their own safety and do what is required to minimize risk.


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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does it make it ok to stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts?

 

were did i advocate that for any woman?

 

unlike many i live in the real world.

 

EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     well dont put yourself in that position. or have women devolved that much to not realise what can happen to them?

 

is there any common sense left in womens lib?

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No one "should" be raped under any circumstances, but it does happen, so a person needs to take some responsibility for their own safety and do what is required to minimize risk.

 

I don't agree with that. 

 

I read this blog article the other day, which I thought was very well written.

 

The Awkward and the Awful

 

There is no "**bleep** outfit" -

Short skirts, knee-high boots, a daring amount of cleavage. None of these cause **bleep** to happen. I have at various times sported all of these and as I mentioned, **bleep** was not a natural or actual consequence. The lack of **bleep** that occured the last time I wore a short skirt was not some failure in the natural order. I'm pretty sure that it was just because there weren't any rapists nearby at the time.

 

"Risky" behaviours don't cause **bleep** - Although I'm a bit of a boring old sod now, in the past I have done some decidedly unclever things. I have been so drunk I couldn't take care of myself in any fashion. I have, when out at night, become separated from friends. I have been alone with men who I didn't know nearly well enough. I've walked home alone at night through "dodgy" parts of town. I still didn't get raped. The reason? Because nobody decided to **bleep** me on those occasions. This is something I'm pleased about, but the difference between it happening and not happening didn't have anything to with my choices but those of the people around me.

 

**bleep** can happen anywhere - You can be raped in your own home, at a friend's house, at work, in a park, at school, at a party. There isn't a specific geography that makes **bleep** more likely. The deciding factor that determines where a **bleep** will occur... is the location of the rapist. Without one in the immediate vicinity your chance of being raped drops to zero. Even if you're running around in the skimpiest outfit you own.

 

Rapists look like normal people - Sadly there is no obvious trait that lets the rest of us know that someone is a rapist. A rapist can be handsome. A rapist can be charming with a good sense of humour. A rapist can be someone you love and trust. A rapist can be someone you've previously had consensual sex with. A rapist can be a family member or friend or workmate. A rapist can be a complete stranger. A rapist can be young or old, rich or poor and of any ethnicity or religion.

As far as I'm concerned the above are solid, unimpeachable facts so why anyone would consider that it's okay to turn the blame for a **bleep** back onto the victim, whilst willfully ignoring the above is quite frankly mindboggling to me. It is simply not acceptable in a modern society like ours to spout that kind of nonsense. This kind of attitude actually makes it easier for rapists to get away with their vile crimes by creating an environment in which victims will not report **bleep** because they fear being shamed and guilted in this way. That's right. This kind of rubbish actually helps no one...except rapists.

 

Read more: http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/blogs/moatas-blog-idle/9373479/The-awkward-and-awful

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just as there are no obvious traits or locations etc to a lot of murderers, burglers etc.

 

So do you lock your house am3?

 

Do you lock your car when you park it somewhere?

 

Do you get a solicitor to help you with the sale/purchase of a house?

 

Do you do things to mimimize the risk of fire?

 

 

according to your beliefs, there is no need to due to the randomness of risk.

 

 

 

 

yeah, in general, crime is random, but you can certainly do things to minimize your risk of being a victim. It may not eliminate the risk, but it at least gives you a chance. No one should have to, but a responsible person should. Unfortunately, it is not illegal to be stupid.


Some people can go their whole lives and never really live for a single minute.
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