on 29-05-2013 04:53 PM
without a moral lawgiver [God] in a true atheistic society with all the evolutionary doctrine acceptable. if then everybody's view/point/understanding is then relative
would rape be legal?
killing off those who are a burden to society, the handicapped, blind, down syndrome be encouraged?
what about the elderly?
infanticide?
and would gays be worse off since they don't contribute to mans upward evolutionary struggle?
to who's standard would society look to?
since so many posters on here don't like God so much have you truly considered what would happen?
this one's for you bob or at least in reverse to your normal topics.
on 29-05-2013 11:44 PM
your aware ellie that the nazies embraced Darwinism, hence they were the master race [blond hair and blue eyes] which enabled them to kill millions of the other races, they called them untermesh think the translation is sub humans. interesting as well is that pre war America embraced it as well, they actually sterilized tens of thousands of disabled/handicapped people so that the "human stock" would evolve better.
on 29-05-2013 11:51 PM
thats fine monman but fails to answer the topic. under communism I think it was Albania became 100% God free, it also became one of the poorest countries in the world and think at the time became one of the worst places to live in the world.
on 30-05-2013 12:06 AM
GO, we have an active thread apropos global warming and associated science why not use it ?
"also discounted evidence from those long ice strips they drill out of the poles. not saying its fact but to me it looks like as we have four seasons in a year then every several hundred maybe thousand year the earth moves into hotter or colder times like the seasons."
I must admit "discounting" the Vostok ice core records is interesting but if it looks that way to you sobeit. You are correct apropos the earth having hotter /colder times with the major period being 100,000 years, but that is from one of "long ice strips they drill out of the poles." so discount that!.
"Looking like" to someone is similar to believing, not fact but comfortable, and devoid of the Scientific Process.
on 30-05-2013 12:24 AM
because we keep getting off the topic, or have yet to discuss the topic.
on 30-05-2013 12:43 AM
"thats fine monman but fails to answer the topic. under communism I think it was Albania became 100% God free, it also became one of the poorest countries in the world and think at the time became one of the worst places to live in the world."
And what exactly does that prove GO? "god will provide", or that the strict form of communism very similar to the Pol Pot regime that Enver Hoxha introduced was a complete failure?
"fails to answer the topic" which is a nonsense: "....... can atheism work without God...." I thought the two were inclusive!
on 30-05-2013 02:12 AM
interesting "you can't have one without the other" sounds like a sesame street song.
why is my topic nonsense? all I know is I cant seem to get a logical answer from those who don't believe in God. even the theory of evolution today has "evolved" from what Darwin wrote. so the truth should be not the theory of evolution but the bitsa theory of evolution.
or maybe it could be called "I cant believe its not evolution"
or like the old claytons add "evolution the theory you have when you don't have a theory"
on 30-05-2013 09:16 AM
doesn't anybody have anything intelligent to say?
on 30-05-2013 09:27 AM
no idea what your talking about newstart, God has no industry. lot of people use His Name for lots of things. what you need to do is read His Word and then deciede if they are following His Word or their own words.
Of course god is an industry, clergy of all denominations work and it is their job to encourage people to go to church and make donations whether in the pass around plate or in a little secret envelope to keep the churches running and the clergy fed and clothed.
No different to many industries or companies which employ workers other than I don't know of any religions which have ever had to declare bankruptcy.
You have the CEO, then of course depending on the faith you have the Pope or Queen, Cardinals, Bishops and so on only the CEO never attends the board meetings because he does not exist.
on 30-05-2013 09:33 AM
Sorry forgot to include, the answer to your question above - of course the world as screwed up as it is can work without god as it has done from the beginning of time.
Society would most likely be more tolerant because most wars and arguments are started over religion so without god or religion we may have more chance at finding peace.
So endith the lesson.
on 30-05-2013 10:11 AM
what lesson newstart, vague assumptions, grandiose claims. ever heard of Stalin the worlds greatest mass murderer or what about Mao both atheists.
does it make atheist's feel better to have this mantra "religion kills more" go and invest in a history book.