can atheism work without God and what would that society be like?

[best.buys]

without a moral lawgiver [God] in a true atheistic society with all the evolutionary doctrine acceptable. if then everybody's view/point/understanding is then relative

would rape be legal?

killing off those who are a burden to society, the handicapped, blind, down syndrome be encouraged?

what about the elderly?

infanticide?

and would gays be worse off since they don't contribute to mans upward evolutionary struggle?

to who's standard would society look to?

since so many posters on here don't like God so much have you truly considered what would happen?

this one's for you bob or at least in reverse to your normal topics.

[best.buys]

which laws notatroll? who decides? can we have Slavic people as non humans like the Germans? or do we go back to Darwins teaching before political correctness came in and make black people non humans again. white people of course at the top especially those with the proper breeding. how deciedes?

[best.buys]

but that's not true ellie scientists decide things all the time without the facts - look at global warming, sorry the world never warmed up so its climate change now isn't it or has the name changed yet again?

[the_great_she_elephant]

do we go back to Darwins teaching before political correctness came in and make black people non humans again. white people of course at the top especially those with the proper breeding. how deciedes?

Do you want to give us a reference from Darwin's writings to support that statement

[the_bob_delusion]

which laws notatroll? who decides? can we have Slavic people as non humans like the Germans? or do we go back to Darwins teaching before political correctness came in and make black people non humans again. white people of course at the top especially those with the proper breeding. how deciedes?

Do you read my posts at all. 

It's not absolutely right or wrong. They're grey areas. Whether you believe in God or not, people fall on both sides of any current issues you can think of. Euthansia, capital punishment, gun laws. etc etc. 

HOw do man decide? they look at reason, evidence, weight up harm vs overall benefit etc etc.

[*notatroll]

What I meant gavo was that atheists don't owe a higher allegiance to some ethereal law of a possible god.

[the_great_she_elephant]

but that's not true ellie scientists decide things all the time without the facts - look at global warming, sorry the world never warmed up so its climate change now isn't it or has the name changed yet again?

Gav, Scientists have suspected for a while now that over the last century the earth has been warming at a greater rate than at any other period in history. They have conducted many many experiments to test this hypothosis and so far the evidence has overwhelmingly supported it. 

[best.buys]

ellie that's what Darwin taught if you can find a copy of his book from probably pre 1960 its in there humans with white [british upper class] at the top. any encyclopedia from the 1950's back taught that as well. the non white races were less evolved.

get around to some garage sales or markets and look for them, also other evolutionary teachings like eugenics can be quite shocking as well

[tommy.irene]

Yes, life without God can be bleak. Atheism is about facing up to that Attempts to brighten up atheism's image miss its unique selling point – life can be brutal, yet we live in recognition of that 

 

'Atheists have to live with the knowledge that there is no salvation, no redemption, no second chances.' Photograph: Frank Baron for the Guardian 

Julian Baggini 
guardian.co.uk 
Friday 9 March 2012 03.00 EST 

The problem with the "atheist" moniker has been recognised for decades. It's too negative, too associated with amoral nihilism. It's understandable then that many would agree with Richard Dawkins that we need a word like "gay" which "should be positive, warm, cheerful, bright". So why not "bright"? 

One reason, which I mentioned right at the start of this series, is that it sounds too smug. But there's an even more important reason why we should not choose a word that is "positive, warm, cheerful": although many atheists are all those things, atheism itself is none of them. 

Atheists have seemed rather keen in recent years to stress their jolly side. As well as the whole "brights" movement, there's the "happy human" logo used by the International Humanist and Ethical Union, the British Humanist Association and several other humanist groups. Then there were the atheist bus posters telling us that we should stop worrying and enjoy life. 

Given how the atheist stereotype has been one of the dark, brooding existentialist gripped by the angst of a purposeless universe, this is understandable. But frankly, I think we've massively overcompensated, and in doing so we've blurred an important distinction. Atheists should point out that life without God can be meaningful, moral and happy. But that's "can" not "is" or even "should usually be". And that means it can just as easily be meaningless, nihilistic and miserable. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/09/life-without-god-bleak-atheism2

[best.buys]

no ellie because they discounted what we call the dark ages as an inconsistency [nice to disregard something that doesn't fit your belief system] also discounted evidence from those long ice strips they drill out of the poles. not saying its fact but to me it looks like as we have four seasons in a year then every several hundred maybe thousand year the earth moves into hotter or colder times like the seasons.

[monman12]

GO: "well it would also monman make you a great scientist in todays world since you have already made up your mind"

Actually in science it is up to a proponent of a theory to present sufficient information to satisfy the Scientific Process. Outside of that, my non belief in a deity is encompassed in: "I believe people believe"  good for them, a god is a popular belief unsupported by science over history which is sufficient for myself, and my scientific background.  But as long as I am not affected, believe in whatever you want.