on 27-04-2015 03:52 PM
How many people in jail because of this drug running pair
how many lives have been ruined because of them
how many family have this drug running pair ruined
how many people addicted to drugs because of them
how many people dead from their drugs
these 2 are not heros... they are well known drug runners who have ruined countless lives because of their greed.
bet they would still be running drugs if they hadnt been caught and destroying countless lives
They are getting what they deserve.....
karma I say
27-04-2015 06:11 PM - edited 27-04-2015 06:14 PM
@am*3 wrote:So whilst everyone's queuing for the outrage bus, at the potential execution of Sukamaran and Chan
It's not outrage it's compassion. Humans do wrong things, some can acknowledge that and turn their lives around.
Sorry, but from where I sit - it's outrage.
And both Sukamaran and Chan are more than just mules.
From Wikipedia - just one of the sources...
"According to court testimonies of convicted drug mules, Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were the alleged co-ringleaders of the heroin smuggling operation from Indonesia to Australia. "
Yes - 'humans do wrong things'. But when that 'wrong thing' costs the lives of countless others, do they really deserve clemency?
Personally, I think not.
An accidental murder, an unintentional harm c aused to others may be forgiven or pardoned, but deliberate and wilfully engaging in activities designed to destroy others?
on 27-04-2015 06:17 PM
You can sit wherever you like but it's not outrage. It's compassion, it's wanting to give them the chance they have earnt for the way they have turned themselves around.
Its sadness for their families. It's horror about the way they will be extinguished. It's disgust that one man can be so cruel and unfeeling and unwilling to accept that his decision is pointless and and won't serve any purpose.
I'm not outraged. I'm sad.
27-04-2015 06:22 PM - edited 27-04-2015 06:25 PM
they didn't kill anyone nor ruin anyones life except their own ones.
they trafficed a good to be sold to willful buyers.
heroin does not kill unless you overdose. if it was legal and you could buy it in a shop you would know what the concentration is and not overdose.
it's the anti drug wowsers who are killing people.
no one forces me to buy beer and no one is forced to buy other (illegal) drugs.
krispy kremes kills people and destroys lifes (by making people obese and have heart attacks). no one cares about that or calls them "killers".
on 27-04-2015 06:31 PM
Of course they have turned their lives around, they are in jail.
They are now unable to traffic in illicit drugs, and will obviously say or do anything they can to avoid what they rightfully deserve.
IMO don't do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.
I wonder how much compassion they have for the countless lives they have ruined?
Sure they may not be at the top of the tree but cut the roots off a tree and eventually the top of the tree will die.
on 27-04-2015 06:32 PM
@j*oono wrote:You can sit wherever you like but it's not outrage. It's compassion, it's wanting to give them the chance they have earnt for the way they have turned themselves around.
Its sadness for their families. It's horror about the way they will be extinguished. It's disgust that one man can be so cruel and unfeeling and unwilling to accept that his decision is pointless and and won't serve any purpose.
I'm not outraged. I'm sad.
I highly doubt that - given the media airtime this is receiving! If Joko's goal is to expose the dangers of drug trafficking in Indonesia, then it's working well.
But...does anyone care about the potential lives ruined or lost because of the premeditated actions of these two? Yes...they may well have turned their lives around, but wouldn't it be interesting to see what they'd be doing now, if they hadn't been caught?
I'ts odds-on that they'd still be drug running, reaping the ill-gotten gains of their depraved actions and ruining the lives of so many drug users and their families.
I find it quite amazing that so many posters who protest the executions, never once show any compassion or voice their thoughts for the ruined lives of both drug users and their families - if they had experienced drug use within their own families, I'm confident there'd be a different outlook, and nowhere near as much outrage compassion.
on 27-04-2015 06:33 PM
I wouldn't put heroin in the same category as krispy kremes, beer and cigarettes................
but I do agree that the choices people make are their own.
on 27-04-2015 06:33 PM
@lal-au0 wrote:they didn't kill anyone nor ruin anyones life except their own ones.
they trafficed a good to be sold to willful buyers.
heroin does not kill unless you overdose. if it was legal and you could buy it in a shop you would know what the concentration is and not overdose.
it's the anti drug wowsers who are killing people.
no one forces me to buy beer and no one is forced to buy other (illegal) drugs.
krispy kremes kills people and destroys lifes (by making people obese and have heart attacks). no one cares about that or calls them "killers".
27-04-2015 06:40 PM - edited 27-04-2015 06:43 PM
27-04-2015 06:41 PM - edited 27-04-2015 06:43 PM
@azureline** wrote:I wouldn't put heroin in the same category as krispy kremes, beer and cigarettes................
but I do agree that the choices people make are their own.
Well, actually, if we count the damage, junk food & cigarettes kill many more than heroin, and cost the community much more in $. And it is definitely pushed on us, it is pushed on children through TV, you cannot go anywhere without being enticed to eat some rubbish full of sugar, which is addictive. If you want drugs you have to go and find a dealer, they do not look for customers.
on 27-04-2015 06:48 PM
@digupatin wrote:Of course they have turned their lives around, they are in jail.
They are now unable to traffic in illicit drugs, and will obviously say or do anything they can to avoid what they rightfully deserve.
IMO don't do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.
I wonder how much compassion they have for the countless lives they have ruined?
Sure they may not be at the top of the tree but cut the roots off a tree and eventually the top of the tree will die.
The tree isn't dying........ he won Lotto