icac's and inquiries

[davidc4430]

its not hard to see why govts are loath to start inquiries or build a true ICAC

history shows often its those who start them who suffer the most

Chris Eccles, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews' top bureaucrat, resigns after hotel quarantine inquiry requests phone records

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/premier-daniel-andrews-dept-head-chris-eccles-resigns/1275361...

dans got himself in a mess, no amount of hand washing will get the dirt off his hands

in NSW gladys is in a similar situation

the spin doctors will be earning their keep these next days/weeks

[bright.ton42]

Gladys Berejiklian survives.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/un-food-agency-asks-for-9-4b-to-avert-covid-19-famine-20201014-...

But Maguire sinks deeper into the cesspool.  Funny I'd never heard of him until now,  guess he's got more than his 15 minutes of fame.  now.   

[chameleon54]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/covid-lockdown-victorian-premier-may-have-lied- 

Andrews disastrous handling of the Victorian COVID outbreaks

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You mean how he's brought  down the daily outbreaks  from around 400  to an average daily of 9.6?       

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No I mean the fact that he and his government are to blame for the 400 a day ( or was it 600 - 700 per day ? ) cases caused by his decision to reject the offer of police and army support to manage hotel quarantine, instead using his union mate, private security guards.

And I mean the fact that Victoria is still locked down when it is only getting single digit daily cases because even after all of this time Andrews has not got his contact tracing up to scratch.

I haven't gone there before, giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. There is no playbook for this. But when other states leaders are clearly doing a much better job when faced with similar circumstances, and it just goes on and on in Victoria, eventually it has to be called out.

The thing that has pushed many people over the line is the fact that so many of his senior people have accused him of lying to the commission tasked with discovering what went so wrong. Incompetence is bad enough, but to then lie like a naughty little schoolboy when questioned at the commission is just sad.

@bright.ton42  There's an article in tomorrow's Financial Review you might like to read. Aparently it sets out how Dan Andrews supporters are afflicted by the same mindless, moronic support for their leader as Trump supporters. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that their leader just isn't up to the job and has cost many people their lives through incompetence and poor decision making, rusted on Trump and Andrews supporters stand defiantly by their leader. Party parochialism taken to the dumbest extreme. 

[davewil1964]

So what do you think about the latest Gladys revelations, given this thread is about ICACs?

Or her handling of the continuing COVID clusters that her excellent handling has allowed to flourish? Given that she has as much relevance to you as Andrews.

Oops, sorry, she is LNP, so obviously you wouldn't be partisan.

[chameleon54]

It doesn't look good does it. I think if its proven she has been a party to corruption through her " secret " partner it is going to make it very difficult for her to continue in the job. The only thing that might save her is plenty of other politicians have done similar things in the past and survived, so its possible that the opposition may not go too hard after her in case some of the skeletons in their own closets come out..

If no illegality is actually proven, but it continues to be smelly, the voters will probably have the final say. It looks very similar to S.A. Labors Gillman land deal. They wriggled out of actually facing legal charges, but it was a significant contributor to them being banished from office at the next election.

[myoclon1cjerk]

It doesn't look good having a commercial land developer calling on you. Coal, gas, airports, media, are fine though.

[chameleon54]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
It doesn't look good having a commercial land developer calling on you. Coal, gas, airports, media, are fine though.

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It doesn't look good having a commercial land developer calling on you. Coal, gas, airports, media, are fine though. Oh and don't forget UNIONS !!!

You nailed it though. There have been interest groups and companies seeking " special deals ' and inside running from politicians as long as politicians have been a thing. Where the line is crossed in our current system is when the politician gains personally from the deal. 

The goal posts probably need to be changed some how to remove some of the corrupting influence these outside parties are having on our political system. That includes banning large political donations from companies or groups.  

[bright.ton42]

Party parochialism taken to the dumbest extreme.

Pot calling kettle   lol

Fortunately my opinions are not bombastic  but just opinions, which is fine for me, and  they are not skewed by party politics. 

Some party players are so yawningly boring and predictable  lol. 

[chameleon54]

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@bright.ton42 wrote:

Party parochialism taken to the dumbest extreme.

Pot calling kettle   lol

Fortunately my opinions are not bombastic  but just opinions, which is fine for me, and  they are not skewed by party politics. 

Some party players are so yawningly boring and predictable  lol. 

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Your presumptions ( and posts ) are so wrong it is laughable.....

 
I haven't made any secret of the fact that my two party preferred vote went to Labor at the last federal election............

Spoiler

Whats the difference between a Trump supporter and and a Daniel Andrews supporter ?

Spoiler

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!     

[myoclon1cjerk]

I already covered unions, chameleon. Coal and gas.

[icyfroth]

Who paid to put Daniel Andrews' ALP in power? It's the best kept secret in Victoria.

Eight months after the state election, Victorians know next to nothing about the benefactors behind the Andrews team. Millions of dollars have flowed into ALP coffers in the past two years, yet Labor has made public just one business donation made to it since June 2013 – a $18,400 gift from Crown Casino.

It is an uncomfortable fact that the citizens of Victoria are among the most ignorant in the English-speaking world when it comes to the question of the bank-rolling of their political leaders; of the cosy boardroom briefings, the soirees at Toorak mansions, the union money for Labor branch-stacking, the nods and winks of ministers and those aspiring to be.

The weakness of Australian political donation regulation begins at the national level. It has been especially problematic since the Howard government watered down electoral laws in 2005, including raising the threshold limit for disclosure from $1500 to $10,000; CPI increases have lifted that figure to $13,000.

Recent controversies on both sides of politics have drawn renewed attention to the flaws in donations laws: on the Liberal side revelations of payments from alleged mafia figures for access to ministers; and on the Labor side, employers tipping into union coffers and slush funds to buy compliance, and bolster union power in the ALP.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/political-donations-daniel-andrews-big-secret--who-paid-for-labors-e...

5 years on, and nothing's changed.