"It's Not Even a Debate"!

 

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has claimed the date of Australia Day should not be changed despite fierce debate over the issue in recent years.

 

Many Indigenous leaders have been pushing for the date of Australia Day to be moved from January 26, the date that marks the First Fleet landing in 1788 and the beginning of British colonisation.

 

A new survey released by the Institute of Public Affairs on Monday said despite the debate, 71 per cent of Australians were in favour of keeping the date as is.

 

The poll found the 71 per cent believe “Australia has a history to be proud of” and “Australia Day is an authentic way for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians to celebrate being Australian”.

 

On Monday morning Sunrise breakfast show co-host Samantha Armytage grilled Mr Morrison over whether he agreed with the results of the poll or if he thought the date should be changed.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scott-morrison-shuts-down-sam-armytage-australia-day-question-015251182.ht...

 

Good on him!

 

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

additionally, this year’s IPA survey could be compared to last year’s IPA survey with a news article headline of “Support for 25th Jan Australia Day dropping” as the 2019 result was 75% and the 2020 result was 71%.

 

Worth a read:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-latest-surveys-on-australia-day-paint-very-different-pictures...

 

 


Yeah right. Ever heard of the old adage: "there's lies , damn lies, and statistics?
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Maybe age has something to do with it. The West Australian today published  the result of a poll conducted by Painted Dog Researcch which showedthat  among of West australians aged 18-39 55% wanted to keep it on 26th Jan, 26% wanted it changed and 19% didn't care.

In the 40=59 age group it was 67%, 20% and 13% respectively

And among the over 60s 78% 14% and 8% 

 

Put me down as a 'don't care'. I can't really see the point in it. We Poms have never needed a National Day to wave flags and convince ourselves we are better than everybody else.

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@icyfroth wrote:

@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

additionally, this year’s IPA survey could be compared to last year’s IPA survey with a news article headline of “Support for 25th Jan Australia Day dropping” as the 2019 result was 75% and the 2020 result was 71%.

 

Worth a read:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-latest-surveys-on-australia-day-paint-very-different-pictures...

 

 


Yeah right. Ever heard of the old adage: "there's lies , damn lies, and statistics?

 

 

there's lies , damn lies, and statistics

 

In a round about way that is what I have been posting here today . . . and applying the lessons of that quote to not only the link you provided in the Opening Post but to all survey results I view.

 

My point about the drop in support for 25th Jan is a valid one backed up by statistics and survey results from the right leaning organisation . . . as might be interpreted by the media.

 

The businessinsider webpage made some interesting comparisons.

 

Thanks for finally seeing the point I was pressing about survey results (or does that Old Adage not apply to your posts?)

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

additionally, this year’s IPA survey could be compared to last year’s IPA survey with a news article headline of “Support for 25th Jan Australia Day dropping” as the 2019 result was 75% and the 2020 result was 71%.

 

Worth a read:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-latest-surveys-on-australia-day-paint-very-different-pictures...

 

 


Yeah right. Ever heard of the old adage: "there's lies , damn lies, and statistics?

 

 

there's lies , damn lies, and statistics

 

In a round about way that is what I have been posting here today . . . and applying the lessons of that quote to not only the link you provided in the Opening Post but to all survey results I view.

 

My point about the drop in support for 25th Jan is a valid one backed up by statistics and survey results from the right leaning organisation . . . as might be interpreted by the media.

 

The businessinsider webpage made some interesting comparisons.

 

Thanks for finally seeing the point I was pressing about survey results (or does that Old Adage not apply to your posts?)


Goes both ways, doesn't it?

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Goes both ways, doesn't it?

 

YEP, and I have been respectful in my posts and pointed out that organisations from both sides of politics can skew surveys/results . . . while providing an example from successive year’s surveys by the IPA (I don’t really believe that those results show that support is dropping, just that mis-use of the results could make that case).

 

Also, I have asked members to not take survey results at face value but to look at the methodology.

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

the Institute of Public Affairs is a conservative leaning organisation. I think any research or survey results from any organisation that favours one side of politics should be viewed cautiously

 

 

Along these lines, I would question any survey results from any survey commissioned by:

 

- the Australian Republican Movement

 

- the ACTU or any union organisation

 

- any political party

 

- any newspaper or media organisation

 

- any TV channel or TV show (like ACA)

 

 

This doesn’t mean I don’t trust such survey results, it just means I look at the motivation behind the survey, the methodology, and make adjustment to my reactions to the surveys as needed.


You forgot Get up.

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especially GetUp

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Maybe age has something to do with it. The West Australian today published  the result of a poll conducted by Painted Dog Researcch which showedthat  among of West australians aged 18-39 55% wanted to keep it on 26th Jan, 26% wanted it changed and 19% didn't care.

In the 40=59 age group it was 67%, 20% and 13% respectively

And among the over 60s 78% 14% and 8% 

 

Put me down as a 'don't care'. I can't really see the point in it. We Poms have never needed a National Day to wave flags and convince ourselves we are better than everybody else.


I,m not big on flag waving either, but there's nothing wrong with celebrating and taking just a little bit of pride in all of the good things this country has to offer.

 

For all its faults, we have relative freedom, free speech within reason and protection from obvious defamatory remarks. Compared to most countries we are incredibly wealthy and while our social services could always be better, no-one has to starve in Australia. We have a great public health system, free education to year 12, a political system that generally works pretty well most of the time and when its time for a change it comes without bloodshed. We have been very lucky to avoid terrorism, have a consistent rule of law, reasonably accessible to most people and police available in emergencies.

 

The recent fires have shown how strong our volunteer culture is in Australia and how we DO support others in times of crisis. Our environment is relatively clean and unspoilt compared to most other countries and we can still find a place where we are the only person from one horizon to the other if we want too. We can easily find deserted beaches for a " quiet " moment    Man Wink or a spot of fishing and if you are lucky, you can still land a good sized fish. 

 

Despite what a few noisy fringe groups would have us believe, we have a good record of treating people with respect and equality and have one of the most successful blended, multi cultural communities in the world. There are certainly unresolved issues with aboriginal Australians, but these would be best served by working together, rather than creating the division that some seem to delight in.

 

There will always be further progress to be made, but on Australia Day we should celebrate all the great things this country has to offer. Compared to most other countries, it really is a pretty good place to live.

 

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Nothing wrong with GetUp unless of course you helped elect this bunch of crooks.
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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Nothing wrong with GetUp unless of course you helped elect this bunch of crooks.

GetUp is a voice for a small minority of Australians and do a good job of representing their views. Nothing wrong with that so long as it is kept in perspective. Like all noisy minorities, they don't represent the views of the majority of people and should not be allowed to run rough shot over our democracy.

 

 

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