"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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To answer your first question. or statement I think "he's"had enough time to show that and that rhetoric has been going on since the "beginning" of religion.

The time has ALWAYS been the time appointed.It could not have been sooner than HE planned.The dates are in the Bible.Encoded but there.And what is happening in the world is proof that the time is almost here.You just refuse to look.

Why look for something I have no interest in,(you're the expert and you can't convince any of the ones that believes in the

bible and that's where your rhetoric should be directed).

Secondly you stated,But that sounds like you,(your pride wont allow you to see anything but you own views,(whether they are right or wrong).

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

Why?

By stating these you are saying that their bible must be false as it's stating incorrect information,(is your bible the same as

theirs?)

If you think/know you are correct then you need to convince them,not us.

No wonder there is so many different forms of the same religion as they all have different views on what the bible means,(as

did the ones that translates it from the original langauge).

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I forgot to say this.You stated

"Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening)."

This is nonsense.This is oft stated but nonsense.Tell me where the millions of deaths have been.The majority is atheists doing this.The majority of wars have always been non religious.Now yes it is Islam.But in history the majority have not been religious wars.Quite the opposite.

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I stated Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening).

I'm not talking about the majority like Hitler,Pol Pot and others who where zealots that believed their own form of genocide.

So these millions of people didn't die?

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

Current "hot spots".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

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Their Bible is not wrong.Their interpretation and translation is wrong and provable.

I do not have to convince them if they dont want to listen and people like BOB need to be shown because he calls the Bible a lie.So I can show him that he does not know what he is talking about.If you are not interested then DO NOT READ!Dont read and then tell me I cannot post it.YOU do not pay my bills and therefore YOU do not have the right to tell me what to do.

As for deaths in the name of religion yiou said millions have been killed in the name of religion.MANY MANY MORE have been killed by atheists.You conveniently forget that.

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Do you have the correct translation and interpretation of the bible?

I can't think of anyone that's killed in the name of Atheism???? 

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No atheists have killed?MOST WARS ARE BY ATHEISTS!Are you just trying to bait?

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lind9650 wrote:

Lion, I don't deny that Jesus Christ lived. It has been archaelogical proven.

What I don't believe is that the Bible is entirely the word of God.

It's a book full of contradictions, and I don't want to go into the nasty parts of it.

BTW, Jesus was not born on the 25th December.

Erica

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Wow, this is news to me. 

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And he was not even born in year 0.  Apparently he was born more like 5 B.C.  LOL   And as most what has been written about him was written 60+ years later, who knows what is true.  But there is some evidence that man named Jesus did live in that time.

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Is it so hard to believe that a revolutionary Rabbi preached around that time??? And it isn't even new that a person claim to be God. It's happened hundreds if not many thousands of times or even more throughout history and even before Jesus' time. How exactly can you actually prove Jesus is the son of God???? 

BTW you say that Jesus' existence has been proven archeology. What do you know that I don't. I find it hard to believe that something as big as God visiting us and not a single contemporary historian or record keeper of the time wrote about him or even kept one artifact belonging to him or have something Jesus' wrote.

What if I told you that we landed on the moon but there's not one newspaper article written about it until a generation later. Don't you think that's a bit weird????

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"claim to be God." - do you know something I don't know Bob?? Where exactly did Jesus claim to be God?

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Dont start this again rabbit.He claimed to be God in a dozen places and the Pharisees understood that was what He was saying.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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So Rabbit what do you want to know about this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST!

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So Rabbit this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST was NEVER taught by the Jews.They never had the concept of an anti messiah.The Apostolic Churches never had it.It was invented in the late 1800's by people based on bad translations and misinterpretations.They all claim the MAN OF SIN is THE ANTICHRIST and made movies out of it.The MAN OF SIN is JESUS!

[the_bob_delusion]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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To answer your first question. or statement I think "he's"had enough time to show that and that rhetoric has been going on since the "beginning" of religion.

The time has ALWAYS been the time appointed.It could not have been sooner than HE planned.The dates are in the Bible.Encoded but there.And what is happening in the world is proof that the time is almost here.You just refuse to look.

Why look for something I have no interest in,(you're the expert and you can't convince any of the ones that believes in the

bible and that's where your rhetoric should be directed).

Secondly you stated,But that sounds like you,(your pride wont allow you to see anything but you own views,(whether they are right or wrong).

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

Why?

By stating these you are saying that their bible must be false as it's stating incorrect information,(is your bible the same as

theirs?)

If you think/know you are correct then you need to convince them,not us.

No wonder there is so many different forms of the same religion as they all have different views on what the bible means,(as

did the ones that translates it from the original langauge).

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I forgot to say this.You stated

"Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening)."

This is nonsense.This is oft stated but nonsense.Tell me where the millions of deaths have been.The majority is atheists doing this.The majority of wars have always been non religious.Now yes it is Islam.But in history the majority have not been religious wars.Quite the opposite.

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I stated Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening).

I'm not talking about the majority like Hitler,Pol Pot and others who where zealots that believed their own form of genocide.

So these millions of people didn't die?

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

Current "hot spots".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

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Their Bible is not wrong.Their interpretation and translation is wrong and provable.

I do not have to convince them if they dont want to listen and people like BOB need to be shown because he calls the Bible a lie.So I can show him that he does not know what he is talking about.If you are not interested then DO NOT READ!Dont read and then tell me I cannot post it.YOU do not pay my bills and therefore YOU do not have the right to tell me what to do.

As for deaths in the name of religion yiou said millions have been killed in the name of religion.MANY MANY MORE have been killed by atheists.You conveniently forget that.

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Do you have the correct translation and interpretation of the bible?

I can't think of anyone that's killed in the name of Atheism???? 

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No atheists have killed?MOST WARS ARE BY ATHEISTS!Are you just trying to bait?

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Oh, I agree atheists have killed. I'm just not aware of anyone doing it in the name of Atheism. It's like saying People who don't believe in Faries have killed but I don't think they killed because they didn't believe in faries. Can't say the same for religious people which I'm sure you'll agree with me if I use Islamic examples. 

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lind9650 wrote:

Lion, I don't deny that Jesus Christ lived. It has been archaelogical proven.

What I don't believe is that the Bible is entirely the word of God.

It's a book full of contradictions, and I don't want to go into the nasty parts of it.

BTW, Jesus was not born on the 25th December.

Erica

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Wow, this is news to me. 

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And he was not even born in year 0.  Apparently he was born more like 5 B.C.  LOL   And as most what has been written about him was written 60+ years later, who knows what is true.  But there is some evidence that man named Jesus did live in that time.

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Is it so hard to believe that a revolutionary Rabbi preached around that time??? And it isn't even new that a person claim to be God. It's happened hundreds if not many thousands of times or even more throughout history and even before Jesus' time. How exactly can you actually prove Jesus is the son of God???? 

BTW you say that Jesus' existence has been proven archeology. What do you know that I don't. I find it hard to believe that something as big as God visiting us and not a single contemporary historian or record keeper of the time wrote about him or even kept one artifact belonging to him or have something Jesus' wrote.

What if I told you that we landed on the moon but there's not one newspaper article written about it until a generation later. Don't you think that's a bit weird????

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And yet His prophecies are fulfilled.He has millions of followers.His words are in the biggest selling book ever.And yet you know in your mind you are correct and He did not exist.For a person you say never existed who said MANY would come and claim to be Him and it happened and you say He never existed.All the prophecies in the Bible have happened or are happening now in front of you and you cannot see it.That is because the prophecy concerning YOU and people like YOU is being fulfilled and that is that YOU will not be allowed to see because you are destined to be destroyed.

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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To answer your first question. or statement I think "he's"had enough time to show that and that rhetoric has been going on since the "beginning" of religion.

The time has ALWAYS been the time appointed.It could not have been sooner than HE planned.The dates are in the Bible.Encoded but there.And what is happening in the world is proof that the time is almost here.You just refuse to look.

Why look for something I have no interest in,(you're the expert and you can't convince any of the ones that believes in the

bible and that's where your rhetoric should be directed).

Secondly you stated,But that sounds like you,(your pride wont allow you to see anything but you own views,(whether they are right or wrong).

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

Why?

By stating these you are saying that their bible must be false as it's stating incorrect information,(is your bible the same as

theirs?)

If you think/know you are correct then you need to convince them,not us.

No wonder there is so many different forms of the same religion as they all have different views on what the bible means,(as

did the ones that translates it from the original langauge).

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I forgot to say this.You stated

"Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening)."

This is nonsense.This is oft stated but nonsense.Tell me where the millions of deaths have been.The majority is atheists doing this.The majority of wars have always been non religious.Now yes it is Islam.But in history the majority have not been religious wars.Quite the opposite.

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I stated Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening).

I'm not talking about the majority like Hitler,Pol Pot and others who where zealots that believed their own form of genocide.

So these millions of people didn't die?

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

Current "hot spots".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

---

Their Bible is not wrong.Their interpretation and translation is wrong and provable.

I do not have to convince them if they dont want to listen and people like BOB need to be shown because he calls the Bible a lie.So I can show him that he does not know what he is talking about.If you are not interested then DO NOT READ!Dont read and then tell me I cannot post it.YOU do not pay my bills and therefore YOU do not have the right to tell me what to do.

As for deaths in the name of religion yiou said millions have been killed in the name of religion.MANY MANY MORE have been killed by atheists.You conveniently forget that.

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Do you have the correct translation and interpretation of the bible?

I can't think of anyone that's killed in the name of Atheism???? 

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No atheists have killed?MOST WARS ARE BY ATHEISTS!Are you just trying to bait?

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Oh, I agree atheists have killed. I'm just not aware of anyone doing it in the name of Atheism. It's like saying People who don't believe in Faries have killed but I don't think they killed because they didn't believe in faries. Can't say the same for religious people which I'm sure you'll agree with me if I use Islamic examples. 

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So when Stalin and Polt Pot killed and tried to wipe out religions to you they did not kill in the name of atheism?You frame arguments only to suit your agenda.If a person kills in the name of God you attack that but if an atheist kills 50 times as many people then that is ok by you?When Mao destroyed religious sites he was not doing it in the name of atheism?

When USSR passed anti religious laws and killed 60 million people that was not in the name of atheism? You just hate God and anyone that follows God and close your mind to facts.You have done it for years.You bare either blind or wilfully ignorant or simply just do not think things through.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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To answer your first question. or statement I think "he's"had enough time to show that and that rhetoric has been going on since the "beginning" of religion.

The time has ALWAYS been the time appointed.It could not have been sooner than HE planned.The dates are in the Bible.Encoded but there.And what is happening in the world is proof that the time is almost here.You just refuse to look.

Why look for something I have no interest in,(you're the expert and you can't convince any of the ones that believes in the

bible and that's where your rhetoric should be directed).

Secondly you stated,But that sounds like you,(your pride wont allow you to see anything but you own views,(whether they are right or wrong).

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

Why?

By stating these you are saying that their bible must be false as it's stating incorrect information,(is your bible the same as

theirs?)

If you think/know you are correct then you need to convince them,not us.

No wonder there is so many different forms of the same religion as they all have different views on what the bible means,(as

did the ones that translates it from the original langauge).

---

I forgot to say this.You stated

"Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening)."

This is nonsense.This is oft stated but nonsense.Tell me where the millions of deaths have been.The majority is atheists doing this.The majority of wars have always been non religious.Now yes it is Islam.But in history the majority have not been religious wars.Quite the opposite.

---

I stated Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening).

I'm not talking about the majority like Hitler,Pol Pot and others who where zealots that believed their own form of genocide.

So these millions of people didn't die?

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

Current "hot spots".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

---

Their Bible is not wrong.Their interpretation and translation is wrong and provable.

I do not have to convince them if they dont want to listen and people like BOB need to be shown because he calls the Bible a lie.So I can show him that he does not know what he is talking about.If you are not interested then DO NOT READ!Dont read and then tell me I cannot post it.YOU do not pay my bills and therefore YOU do not have the right to tell me what to do.

As for deaths in the name of religion yiou said millions have been killed in the name of religion.MANY MANY MORE have been killed by atheists.You conveniently forget that.

---

Do you have the correct translation and interpretation of the bible?

I can't think of anyone that's killed in the name of Atheism???? 

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No atheists have killed?MOST WARS ARE BY ATHEISTS!Are you just trying to bait?

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Oh, I agree atheists have killed. I'm just not aware of anyone doing it in the name of Atheism. It's like saying People who don't believe in Faries have killed but I don't think they killed because they didn't believe in faries. Can't say the same for religious people which I'm sure you'll agree with me if I use Islamic examples. 

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So when Stalin and Polt Pot killed and tried to wipe out religions to you they did not kill in the name of atheism?You frame arguments only to suit your agenda.If a person kills in the name of God you attack that but if an atheist kills 50 times as many people then that is ok by you?When Mao destroyed religious sites he was not doing it in the name of atheism?

When USSR passed anti religious laws and killed 60 million people that was not in the name of atheism? You just hate God and anyone that follows God and close your mind to facts.You have done it for years.You bare either blind or wilfully ignorant or simply just do not think things through.

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You do realise there's no doctrine or agenda associated with Atheism right??? Atheism just means non-belief in a deity. You can have Atheist that are evil and will kill anyone they like. But there's nothing in Atheism to tell them to kill. There are however commands in the bible and Koran telling believers to kill or stone. That's why it's possible to kill in the name of religion but not in the name of Atheism. You have to join the dots you know.

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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To answer your first question. or statement I think "he's"had enough time to show that and that rhetoric has been going on since the "beginning" of religion.

The time has ALWAYS been the time appointed.It could not have been sooner than HE planned.The dates are in the Bible.Encoded but there.And what is happening in the world is proof that the time is almost here.You just refuse to look.

Why look for something I have no interest in,(you're the expert and you can't convince any of the ones that believes in the

bible and that's where your rhetoric should be directed).

Secondly you stated,But that sounds like you,(your pride wont allow you to see anything but you own views,(whether they are right or wrong).

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

Why?

By stating these you are saying that their bible must be false as it's stating incorrect information,(is your bible the same as

theirs?)

If you think/know you are correct then you need to convince them,not us.

No wonder there is so many different forms of the same religion as they all have different views on what the bible means,(as

did the ones that translates it from the original langauge).

---

I forgot to say this.You stated

"Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening)."

This is nonsense.This is oft stated but nonsense.Tell me where the millions of deaths have been.The majority is atheists doing this.The majority of wars have always been non religious.Now yes it is Islam.But in history the majority have not been religious wars.Quite the opposite.

---

I stated Deaths in the name of religion has always been wrong but millions have being killed in it's name,(and it's still

happening).

I'm not talking about the majority like Hitler,Pol Pot and others who where zealots that believed their own form of genocide.

So these millions of people didn't die?

http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

Current "hot spots".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

---

Their Bible is not wrong.Their interpretation and translation is wrong and provable.

I do not have to convince them if they dont want to listen and people like BOB need to be shown because he calls the Bible a lie.So I can show him that he does not know what he is talking about.If you are not interested then DO NOT READ!Dont read and then tell me I cannot post it.YOU do not pay my bills and therefore YOU do not have the right to tell me what to do.

As for deaths in the name of religion yiou said millions have been killed in the name of religion.MANY MANY MORE have been killed by atheists.You conveniently forget that.

---

Do you have the correct translation and interpretation of the bible?

I can't think of anyone that's killed in the name of Atheism???? 

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No atheists have killed?MOST WARS ARE BY ATHEISTS!Are you just trying to bait?

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Oh, I agree atheists have killed. I'm just not aware of anyone doing it in the name of Atheism. It's like saying People who don't believe in Faries have killed but I don't think they killed because they didn't believe in faries. Can't say the same for religious people which I'm sure you'll agree with me if I use Islamic examples. 

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And let me tell you your BIGGEST cop out and which is a COP OUT by many in the world.If I tell you I KNOW Him and have SEEN Him and have been with HIM in what people call Heaven your response is to either ridicule or be offensive and say I need mental health help.WHY?Because you are like most and are a know it all.By making that claim you are claiming to know everything there is to know.You spout on about evolution and cannot produce an iota of evidence.You claim YHWH is not real and cannot produce an iota of evidence.

You claim that anyone that claims to have seen Him is mentally ill thereby claiming to KNOW EVERYTHING!That simply shows arrogance on your part on a grand scale.The same people that make the claims you make are usually the first to believe in aliens.If I told you that I told people in Pakistan in october 2010 that there would be Biblical floods hit australia in 2-3 months you would mock at that also.WHY?Because in your mind you know everything there is to know.You are frankly a know it all.I can show you an EXACT description in the Bible of the Bomb they dropped on Hiroshima and you would laugh because you know everything.I could show you the billions of wildlife deaths and the corresponding prophecy and you mock.I could show you the description of the 2 world wars in the Bible and mention of the EXAXCT period of time between them and again you laugh.I could show you Chernobyl in the Bible and you laugh.You then say you want proof and attack any proof given.

You will have your proof soon.Worldwide nuclear war before the end of 2016.Hows that for a prophecy?And then you will still say it is not enough.

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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You do realise there's no doctrine or agenda associated with Atheism right??? Atheism just means non-belief in a deity. You can have Atheist that are evil and will kill anyone they like. But there's nothing in Atheism to tell them to kill. There are however commands in the bible and Koran telling believers to kill or stone. That's why it's possible to kill in the name of religion but not in the name of Atheism. You have to join the dots you know.

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You are joking right?Or just trolling again?NO DOCTRINE?NOAGENDA?Yeah right.