"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[*stuff*books*]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

But lets get back to the point of GOOD FRIDAY!

The Bible shows CLEARLY (even though say it doesnt)that Jesus must be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and alse clearly that He rose Sunday.

So there are 2 things it is clear on.

Now my question was and IS ,why and how did all these so called experts come to the conclusion,based on Scripture that Jesus was crucified on a FRIDAY?

This is not a matter of arguing right or wrong.I AM RIGHT!It could not have been a FRIDAY!So the conceited ones are the ones that claim to be experts and get this wrong when simple math proves them wrong.

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Others agree with your time line and still others think it was Wednesday.

Friday crusifiction: : http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

I've never heard about this bit:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A32-56

Then you have this one: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/crucifixionstor.htm

And: http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/staffhome/gehall/xtology4.htm

That brings up another point:

More conflicting information: how was he crucified,(through the ankles and wrist or the hands and feet?)

[lionofjudah60]

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

But lets get back to the point of GOOD FRIDAY!

The Bible shows CLEARLY (even though say it doesnt)that Jesus must be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and alse clearly that He rose Sunday.

So there are 2 things it is clear on.

Now my question was and IS ,why and how did all these so called experts come to the conclusion,based on Scripture that Jesus was crucified on a FRIDAY?

This is not a matter of arguing right or wrong.I AM RIGHT!It could not have been a FRIDAY!So the conceited ones are the ones that claim to be experts and get this wrong when simple math proves them wrong.

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Others agree with your time line and still others think it was Wednesday.

Friday crusifiction: : http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

I've never heard about this bit:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A32-56

Then you have this one: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/crucifixionstor.htm

And: http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/staffhome/gehall/xtology4.htm

That brings up another point:

More conflicting information: how was he crucified,(through the ankles and wrist or the hands and feet?)

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You miss the point again or you simply avoid the point.I do not care if it was wednesday or thursday.My point is IT CANNOT BE FRIDAY!Yet the so called experts and especially one know it all on this forum states that I am conceited for saying I KNOW IT WAS NOT FRIDAY.Point 2 is you claim it is open to interpretation.IT CANNOT BE INTERPRETED TO BE FRIDAY!  That is the whole issue. If the know it all thinks I am wrong he needs to show me.He preached for years that it was friday and he claimed to be an expert and now he claims I am conceited when he was the one CLEARING teaching nonsense.THAT IS THE POINT!

[lionofjudah60]

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

But lets get back to the point of GOOD FRIDAY!

The Bible shows CLEARLY (even though say it doesnt)that Jesus must be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and alse clearly that He rose Sunday.

So there are 2 things it is clear on.

Now my question was and IS ,why and how did all these so called experts come to the conclusion,based on Scripture that Jesus was crucified on a FRIDAY?

This is not a matter of arguing right or wrong.I AM RIGHT!It could not have been a FRIDAY!So the conceited ones are the ones that claim to be experts and get this wrong when simple math proves them wrong.

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Others agree with your time line and still others think it was Wednesday.

Friday crusifiction: : http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

I've never heard about this bit:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A32-56

Then you have this one: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/crucifixionstor.htm

And: http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/staffhome/gehall/xtology4.htm

That brings up another point:

More conflicting information: how was he crucified,(through the ankles and wrist or the hands and feet?)

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Let me give you another example.There was once a person on here called lakeland.He claimed never to be wrong.He was filled to the brim with PRIDE! One day he claimed that Lord Monckton was "NOT A REAL LORD".He claimed that the Secretary of the Houses of Parliament had stated that. I pointed out that in fact the Secretary said no such thing.That what he said(AND I GAVE PROOF) was that Lord Monckton was a VISCOUNT by virtue of Letters Patent and therefore entitled to the Title LORD however had no right to a seat in the House of Lords.

I then asked Lakeland to admit he was wrong.HIS ANSWER was that he was not wrong.EVEN in the face of the evidence he refused to admit it.THAT WAS PRIDE! He finally stated that the most he would admit was that he did not understand English Titles.He was CLEARLY in error but pride stopped him from admitting it just like pride stops this person on here from admitting he was wrong.

BTW where did lakeland go?Pride goes before a fall so if he fell into destruction or death it would not surprise me.

[softail-joanie]

Because I intend to say what is on my mind.If they do not want to respond that is fine.But their blood will not     be on my hands.When the world collapses and Jesus intervenes they can never say I never warned them.The blood will be on their hands not mine. 

I'm good with that answer, I say whats on my mind for diffrent reasons, And don't expect it has anything to do with if or not any blood is on my hands. Uasally, if I see a message on a youtube video where the uploader askes those to share and spread the message , if I feel it's worthwhile, I'll share, or post it.

Many people are on my case about what they would call "my dim view of police", I think it's good though, and hope they can prove me wrong, I don't want to be right about how I see the world, It saddends me, I hope I can wake up and all this abuse I suffered at the hands of police was just a bad dream. I don't want to see cops as bad people, I don't want to see the world as I do. But I don't have the ability or inclination to lie to myself.

I'm glad to see anyone who is all about Jesus, "happy birthday to him BTW" But you'll forgive me for holding out hope for humanity and that the world don't have to collapse or all these bad things happen. Who wants to face that?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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The more I read what you write the more I read what a fool and arrogance prideful idiot you are.

SO AGAIN FOOL I ASK YOU TO SHOW MWE HOW ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE THE CRUCIFIXION COULD HAVE BEEN ON A FRIDAY!

Show me donkey how ALL THOSE ALL THOSE SCHOLARS WITH AKLL THOSEHOURS GOT IT RIGHT AND I GOT IT WRONG!

You are a fool.Go away donkey and stay away in your own little world.WW3 is soon and thankfully people like you are forbidden to repent and excluded from the safety of the Lord.Thankfully the LOrd is merciful to His people and will destroy people like you and your families so we never have to tolerate your ignorance again.

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That's the spirit! Spoken like the nasty, vindictive, narrow-minded little theist that you so very clearly are!

When I was in the ministry of jesus, we strongly sought peace and harmony with allcomers, regardless of their beliefs.

You, on the other hand, have shown your true colours in the emboldened passage above.

Rarely do I encounter  such a vapid and vacuous, thin-skinned theist such as yourself. Hurling insults as if they were blessings, insisting that you, and only you, have the key to the word of the bible.

Truly, truly, pathetic.

And just how petty and pathetic, that you wish me and my family dead - particularly at your most holy time of the year! Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable.

Still, it's about what I';ve come to expect from petty little religious tyrants such as yourself - faced with cold hard facts and reasoned logic, you see your tenuous grasp of the truth, as you see it, slipping away in the harsh light of reality, and rather than attempt to counter with sensible argument, you swing straight into abuse, critisicm and  deflection.

You've shown repeatedly thoughouit your posts, your self-aggrandizing nature, your sanctimonious and superficial attitude, that you are the one and only person who knows the absolute truth in your fairytale book - and you deride anyone who dares to question your authority on the matter - and the really sad part is, you just don't see it, do you?

You labour under the misapprehension that you are infallible - yet your bible teaches otherwise, doesn't it? Or have you also ascertained from your holey babble, that you are destined for glory, as you are the only human on Earth who knows this great secret? As I queried you in my first post - why are you only asserting your authority here on a an insignificant ebay forum? Why not announce your revelation to the world through a more constructive process? Why not bask in the adulation of your peers throughout the world? For truly, such a monumental discovery such as yours, should be articulated throughout the world, and the name 'Lion of Judah' canonized for all time for his truly Earth-shattering revelation!

Why not? Because you know full well that you are a charlatan, a bully of the religious persuasion, a pompous blowhard, who takes great satisfaction in demeaning others whilst attempting to justify your own mistaken sense of self-importance. Just how well do you know your bible, when it comes to passages such as the one below?

Proverbs 27:2 

Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

Your constant attempts to justify your religious stance are doing aught but prove to others just how literally you are in conflict with this biblical teaching. Yet...you can't see it! Once again, pot...meet kettle.

No, your deluded mind is allowing you to see nothing but what you want to see, and in that context, you fail so very badly in understanding just how truly arrogant your rantings really are.

But - feel free to justify your beliefs once again, by wishing harm to befall both me and my family, or wishing us to face the eternal fires of damnation - however, I have to tell you, I'm actually more scared of the bogeyman, than your god's vengeance. At least, there MIGHT be someone hiding in my closet!

As a devout christian, you probably exhort the evils of Islam, too - yet your wishes of harm to me and mine don't make the gap between christianity and Islam all that great, does it?

And finally, I've siad it before, but it seems I need to say it again. I have NO inbtention of arguing the semantics of a fairy tale, concocted by bronze age peasants, with you. I have far better things to do with the limited life I have here on this Earth!

And I'd not do so on principle, as you, in typical theist fashion, have chosen once again to ignore the questions I posed to you some pages back, and have instead thrown out a challenge to me to address your points.

Sorry, I don't fall for nasty little theist tricks. I've had way too much experience in dealing with your ilk in the past.

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you said about 30 posts ago that you had no intention of debating - but, here you are, still debating. You can't help yourself, can you?

I don't agree with a lot of what 'lion' says, but, as least we can have a reasonable discussion.

[lionofjudah60]

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@*stuff*books* wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

But lets get back to the point of GOOD FRIDAY!

The Bible shows CLEARLY (even though say it doesnt)that Jesus must be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and alse clearly that He rose Sunday.

So there are 2 things it is clear on.

Now my question was and IS ,why and how did all these so called experts come to the conclusion,based on Scripture that Jesus was crucified on a FRIDAY?

This is not a matter of arguing right or wrong.I AM RIGHT!It could not have been a FRIDAY!So the conceited ones are the ones that claim to be experts and get this wrong when simple math proves them wrong.

---

Others agree with your time line and still others think it was Wednesday.

Friday crusifiction: : http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/friday-crucifixion-faq.htm

I've never heard about this bit:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A32-56

Then you have this one: http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/crucifixionstor.htm

And: http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/staffhome/gehall/xtology4.htm

That brings up another point:

More conflicting information: how was he crucified,(through the ankles and wrist or the hands and feet?)

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He was not crucified on a Friday and pure math proves that.You can argue all you like ..It does not matter that they count part days as a full day.Friday,Friday night,saturday saturday night sunday.3 days and 2 nights.It was NOT a Friday.As for being crucified in hands or wrists it was hands.The Scripture says"I have inscribed your names on the palms of my hands".Figure it out.

[lionofjudah60]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

Because I intend to say what is on my mind.If they do not want to respond that is fine.But their blood will not     be on my hands.When the world collapses and Jesus intervenes they can never say I never warned them.The blood will be on their hands not mine. 

I'm good with that answer, I say whats on my mind for diffrent reasons, And don't expect it has anything to do with if or not any blood is on my hands. Uasally, if I see a message on a youtube video where the uploader askes those to share and spread the message , if I feel it's worthwhile, I'll share, or post it.

Many people are on my case about what they would call "my dim view of police", I think it's good though, and hope they can prove me wrong, I don't want to be right about how I see the world, It saddends me, I hope I can wake up and all this abuse I suffered at the hands of police was just a bad dream. I don't want to see cops as bad people, I don't want to see the world as I do. But I don't have the ability or inclination to lie to myself.

I'm glad to see anyone who is all about Jesus, "happy birthday to him BTW" But you'll forgive me for holding out hope for humanity and that the world don't have to collapse or all these bad things happen. Who wants to face that?

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They have to face it Joanie.It is written and will happen.

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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The more I read what you write the more I read what a fool and arrogance prideful idiot you are.

SO AGAIN FOOL I ASK YOU TO SHOW MWE HOW ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE THE CRUCIFIXION COULD HAVE BEEN ON A FRIDAY!

Show me donkey how ALL THOSE ALL THOSE SCHOLARS WITH AKLL THOSEHOURS GOT IT RIGHT AND I GOT IT WRONG!

You are a fool.Go away donkey and stay away in your own little world.WW3 is soon and thankfully people like you are forbidden to repent and excluded from the safety of the Lord.Thankfully the LOrd is merciful to His people and will destroy people like you and your families so we never have to tolerate your ignorance again.

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That's the spirit! Spoken like the nasty, vindictive, narrow-minded little theist that you so very clearly are!

When I was in the ministry of jesus, we strongly sought peace and harmony with allcomers, regardless of their beliefs.

You, on the other hand, have shown your true colours in the emboldened passage above.

Rarely do I encounter  such a vapid and vacuous, thin-skinned theist such as yourself. Hurling insults as if they were blessings, insisting that you, and only you, have the key to the word of the bible.

Truly, truly, pathetic.

And just how petty and pathetic, that you wish me and my family dead - particularly at your most holy time of the year! Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable.

Still, it's about what I';ve come to expect from petty little religious tyrants such as yourself - faced with cold hard facts and reasoned logic, you see your tenuous grasp of the truth, as you see it, slipping away in the harsh light of reality, and rather than attempt to counter with sensible argument, you swing straight into abuse, critisicm and  deflection.

You've shown repeatedly thoughouit your posts, your self-aggrandizing nature, your sanctimonious and superficial attitude, that you are the one and only person who knows the absolute truth in your fairytale book - and you deride anyone who dares to question your authority on the matter - and the really sad part is, you just don't see it, do you?

You labour under the misapprehension that you are infallible - yet your bible teaches otherwise, doesn't it? Or have you also ascertained from your holey babble, that you are destined for glory, as you are the only human on Earth who knows this great secret? As I queried you in my first post - why are you only asserting your authority here on a an insignificant ebay forum? Why not announce your revelation to the world through a more constructive process? Why not bask in the adulation of your peers throughout the world? For truly, such a monumental discovery such as yours, should be articulated throughout the world, and the name 'Lion of Judah' canonized for all time for his truly Earth-shattering revelation!

Why not? Because you know full well that you are a charlatan, a bully of the religious persuasion, a pompous blowhard, who takes great satisfaction in demeaning others whilst attempting to justify your own mistaken sense of self-importance. Just how well do you know your bible, when it comes to passages such as the one below?

Proverbs 27:2 

Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

Your constant attempts to justify your religious stance are doing aught but prove to others just how literally you are in conflict with this biblical teaching. Yet...you can't see it! Once again, pot...meet kettle.

No, your deluded mind is allowing you to see nothing but what you want to see, and in that context, you fail so very badly in understanding just how truly arrogant your rantings really are.

But - feel free to justify your beliefs once again, by wishing harm to befall both me and my family, or wishing us to face the eternal fires of damnation - however, I have to tell you, I'm actually more scared of the bogeyman, than your god's vengeance. At least, there MIGHT be someone hiding in my closet!

As a devout christian, you probably exhort the evils of Islam, too - yet your wishes of harm to me and mine don't make the gap between christianity and Islam all that great, does it?

And finally, I've siad it before, but it seems I need to say it again. I have NO inbtention of arguing the semantics of a fairy tale, concocted by bronze age peasants, with you. I have far better things to do with the limited life I have here on this Earth!

And I'd not do so on principle, as you, in typical theist fashion, have chosen once again to ignore the questions I posed to you some pages back, and have instead thrown out a challenge to me to address your points.

Sorry, I don't fall for nasty little theist tricks. I've had way too much experience in dealing with your ilk in the past.

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No you are wrong and will not admit it.You stated you were an ex minister and knew the Bible.Yet you taught Friday was the day of crucifixion when CLEARLY it was not.Because you did not know what you were talking about you try to turn it around instead of admitting you were wrong.You justify that by saying I am prideful when CLEARLY it is you who have been proved wrong and cannot bear to admit it.You taught wrong and will not face facts that you were wrong. Yoyu call me deluded?YOU COWARD!Curse you in the name of YHWH!Dont speak to me again coward.You wont get an answer dog.Go back and study the prophecies then look around the world.The LORD you mock will recompense the evil .Look around at the world.You are like a dog going back to its vomit.You are a fool.Dont reply because I dont answer the spiritually dead.It is a waste of time.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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The more I read what you write the more I read what a fool and arrogance prideful idiot you are.

SO AGAIN FOOL I ASK YOU TO SHOW MWE HOW ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE THE CRUCIFIXION COULD HAVE BEEN ON A FRIDAY!

Show me donkey how ALL THOSE ALL THOSE SCHOLARS WITH AKLL THOSEHOURS GOT IT RIGHT AND I GOT IT WRONG!

You are a fool.Go away donkey and stay away in your own little world.WW3 is soon and thankfully people like you are forbidden to repent and excluded from the safety of the Lord.Thankfully the LOrd is merciful to His people and will destroy people like you and your families so we never have to tolerate your ignorance again.

---

That's the spirit! Spoken like the nasty, vindictive, narrow-minded little theist that you so very clearly are!

When I was in the ministry of jesus, we strongly sought peace and harmony with allcomers, regardless of their beliefs.

You, on the other hand, have shown your true colours in the emboldened passage above.

Rarely do I encounter  such a vapid and vacuous, thin-skinned theist such as yourself. Hurling insults as if they were blessings, insisting that you, and only you, have the key to the word of the bible.

Truly, truly, pathetic.

And just how petty and pathetic, that you wish me and my family dead - particularly at your most holy time of the year! Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable.

Still, it's about what I';ve come to expect from petty little religious tyrants such as yourself - faced with cold hard facts and reasoned logic, you see your tenuous grasp of the truth, as you see it, slipping away in the harsh light of reality, and rather than attempt to counter with sensible argument, you swing straight into abuse, critisicm and  deflection.

You've shown repeatedly thoughouit your posts, your self-aggrandizing nature, your sanctimonious and superficial attitude, that you are the one and only person who knows the absolute truth in your fairytale book - and you deride anyone who dares to question your authority on the matter - and the really sad part is, you just don't see it, do you?

You labour under the misapprehension that you are infallible - yet your bible teaches otherwise, doesn't it? Or have you also ascertained from your holey babble, that you are destined for glory, as you are the only human on Earth who knows this great secret? As I queried you in my first post - why are you only asserting your authority here on a an insignificant ebay forum? Why not announce your revelation to the world through a more constructive process? Why not bask in the adulation of your peers throughout the world? For truly, such a monumental discovery such as yours, should be articulated throughout the world, and the name 'Lion of Judah' canonized for all time for his truly Earth-shattering revelation!

Why not? Because you know full well that you are a charlatan, a bully of the religious persuasion, a pompous blowhard, who takes great satisfaction in demeaning others whilst attempting to justify your own mistaken sense of self-importance. Just how well do you know your bible, when it comes to passages such as the one below?

Proverbs 27:2 

Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

Your constant attempts to justify your religious stance are doing aught but prove to others just how literally you are in conflict with this biblical teaching. Yet...you can't see it! Once again, pot...meet kettle.

No, your deluded mind is allowing you to see nothing but what you want to see, and in that context, you fail so very badly in understanding just how truly arrogant your rantings really are.

But - feel free to justify your beliefs once again, by wishing harm to befall both me and my family, or wishing us to face the eternal fires of damnation - however, I have to tell you, I'm actually more scared of the bogeyman, than your god's vengeance. At least, there MIGHT be someone hiding in my closet!

As a devout christian, you probably exhort the evils of Islam, too - yet your wishes of harm to me and mine don't make the gap between christianity and Islam all that great, does it?

And finally, I've siad it before, but it seems I need to say it again. I have NO inbtention of arguing the semantics of a fairy tale, concocted by bronze age peasants, with you. I have far better things to do with the limited life I have here on this Earth!

And I'd not do so on principle, as you, in typical theist fashion, have chosen once again to ignore the questions I posed to you some pages back, and have instead thrown out a challenge to me to address your points.

Sorry, I don't fall for nasty little theist tricks. I've had way too much experience in dealing with your ilk in the past.

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you said about 30 posts ago that you had no intention of debating - but, here you are, still debating. You can't help yourself, can you?

I don't agree with a lot of what 'lion' says, but, as least we can have a reasonable discussion.

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Forget him rabbit.They answer everything by calling people deluded and speaking of mental health.Know it alls like him are a dime a dozen.When he was a minister he ran around telling people he knew it all.Now he is an atheist he runs around telling people he knows it all.If they read the Scriptures they would know Jesus CURSED many and YHWH killed the firstborn of Egypt as well as wiping out countless others.YHWH is going to destroy billions more very soon.You know that and I know that.People like this are not only ignorant and arrogant but they are intolerate of anyone that disagrees with them.They are hateful and bait people for sport.The Bible tells you to love your brother and it says who this is.People like him are described as DOGS GOING BACK TO THEIR VOMIT!He is upset because he knows the Bible is speaking to people like him.

They want it both ways.They wanted the world when tey believed in YHWH and now that they do not they take offense when told that YHWH will gather them up like weeds and burn them.The BIBLE says they will be gathered and burned yet they want the Bible to say something different.It says what it says.And they jjustify their behavior by always calling out the mental health card.

Then they complain and say it is the season of Goodwill.That is not what the Bible says.It says to avoid idiots like this.