"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[lionofjudah60]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

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You do realise there's no doctrine or agenda associated with Atheism right??? Atheism just means non-belief in a deity. You can have Atheist that are evil and will kill anyone they like. But there's nothing in Atheism to tell them to kill. There are however commands in the bible and Koran telling believers to kill or stone. That's why it's possible to kill in the name of religion but not in the name of Atheism. You have to join the dots you know.

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The Atheist Agenda is an organization founded in 2005 by group of atheists from the The University of Texas at San Antonio.[1] The group is dedicated to the philosophy of freethought, as well as promoting aggressive activism against theology and theological institutions, encouraging non-believers to take pride in their history and community, and providing to them the same fellowship that those of a religious background share.

OK no agenda there.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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So Rabbit what do you want to know about this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST!

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So Rabbit this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST was NEVER taught by the Jews.They never had the concept of an anti messiah.The Apostolic Churches never had it.It was invented in the late 1800's by people based on bad translations and misinterpretations.They all claim the MAN OF SIN is THE ANTICHRIST and made movies out of it.The MAN OF SIN is JESUS!

I am very interested in what you have determined about THE ANTICHRIST and THE FALSE PROPHET and The Man of Sin.

I realise it's a big subject, so can we start with ANTICHRIST.

[evil_akuma_2002]

As much fun as this debate is, Bob...it's hardly worth the effort of continuing with someone as fervent, (dare I say rabid?), as our friend.

Strawmen, special pleading, 'holier than thou' attitude, 'no true scotsman', ad populum and ad hominem arguments - he's used them all!

Rabid beleivers will do nothing to change their stance - despite mountains of evidence to the contrary to their beliefs. They'll ignore conflicting evidence, no matter how convincing or justified, as it does not gel with their preconcived world views.

As an ex-minister, I like to believe that my religious knowledge was up there with the best - that is, until I saw the error of my ways!

I now realize the sheer ignorance - wilful ignorance, that is belief.

Fossil records mean nothing to them - they merely disnmiss them as other primates, or claim there are 'no transitional fossils', despite science proving time and time again that they do in fact, exist.

Our friend even went as far as accusing atheist of being too prideful, then went on with the following statement...

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

And that's NOT pride?  Pot...meet kettle!

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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So Rabbit what do you want to know about this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST!

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So Rabbit this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST was NEVER taught by the Jews.They never had the concept of an anti messiah.The Apostolic Churches never had it.It was invented in the late 1800's by people based on bad translations and misinterpretations.They all claim the MAN OF SIN is THE ANTICHRIST and made movies out of it.The MAN OF SIN is JESUS!

I am very interested in what you have determined about THE ANTICHRIST and THE FALSE PROPHET and The Man of Sin.

I realise it's a big subject, so can we start with ANTICHRIST.

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An Antichrist is an adversary to Christ.MANY OF THEM.Anyone against Christ is an antichrist.No dramas there.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

As much fun as this debate is, Bob...it's hardly worth the effort of continuing with someone as fervent, (dare I say rabid?), as our friend.

Strawmen, special pleading, 'holier than thou' attitude, 'no true scotsman', ad populum and ad hominem arguments - he's used them all!

Rabid beleivers will do nothing to change their stance - despite mountains of evidence to the contrary to their beliefs. They'll ignore conflicting evidence, no matter how convincing or justified, as it does not gel with their preconcived world views.

As an ex-minister, I like to believe that my religious knowledge was up there with the best - that is, until I saw the error of my ways!

I now realize the sheer ignorance - wilful ignorance, that is belief.

Fossil records mean nothing to them - they merely disnmiss them as other primates, or claim there are 'no transitional fossils', despite science proving time and time again that they do in fact, exist.

Our friend even went as far as accusing atheist of being too prideful, then went on with the following statement...

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

And that's NOT pride?  Pot...meet kettle!

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How is that PRIDE?Can you add 1+1+1?If you can add those and come to less than 3 then you are better than anyone else.MATH proves them wrong.Or arwe you so arrogant that you think math can change when you want it to?

If I am wrong in any of those issues then SHOW me how I am wrong.To date not one atheist nor one Christian not one Christian scholar has even attempted to show I am wrong.Why?Because they cannot.If they could they would.If you call that pride then so be it.If I am wrong SHOW ME WHERE!

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

As much fun as this debate is, Bob...it's hardly worth the effort of continuing with someone as fervent, (dare I say rabid?), as our friend.

Strawmen, special pleading, 'holier than thou' attitude, 'no true scotsman', ad populum and ad hominem arguments - he's used them all!

Rabid beleivers will do nothing to change their stance - despite mountains of evidence to the contrary to their beliefs. They'll ignore conflicting evidence, no matter how convincing or justified, as it does not gel with their preconcived world views.

As an ex-minister, I like to believe that my religious knowledge was up there with the best - that is, until I saw the error of my ways!

I now realize the sheer ignorance - wilful ignorance, that is belief.

Fossil records mean nothing to them - they merely disnmiss them as other primates, or claim there are 'no transitional fossils', despite science proving time and time again that they do in fact, exist.

Our friend even went as far as accusing atheist of being too prideful, then went on with the following statement...

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it.

And that's NOT pride?  Pot...meet kettle!

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So you are an ex minister?You claim your knowledge was up there.SO SHOW ME HOW JESUS COULD BE CRUCIFIED ON A FRIDAY AND RISE ON A SUNDAY AND FULFILL THE PROPHECY! Come on show me.You cannot sahow me.You celebrated Good Friday for years and were CLEARLY wrong and you call me prideful for stating I am right when clearly I am and yet you are not prideful for claiming you were right when clearly you were NOT! And you call me prideful??? I have heard everything now!

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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So Rabbit what do you want to know about this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST!

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So Rabbit this fiction called THE ANTICHRIST was NEVER taught by the Jews.They never had the concept of an anti messiah.The Apostolic Churches never had it.It was invented in the late 1800's by people based on bad translations and misinterpretations.They all claim the MAN OF SIN is THE ANTICHRIST and made movies out of it.The MAN OF SIN is JESUS!

I am very interested in what you have determined about THE ANTICHRIST and THE FALSE PROPHET and The Man of Sin.

I realise it's a big subject, so can we start with ANTICHRIST.

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We both agree with what AN Antichrist is.Would you like to discuss the fiction of THE ANTICHRIST?

They get this nonsense from 2 Scriptures.The first in the prophecy of 70 weeks in Daniel and the second in the passage of the man of sin.

The prophecy of weeks is about Jesus and the man of sin IS Jesus.What would you like to know of these?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

so, what about the Man of Sin? I presume you are referring to 2 Thess 2:3-10?

Darby

"3 Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

4 who opposes and exalts himself on high against all called God, or object of veneration; so that he himself sits down in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Do ye not remember that, being yet with you, I said these things to you?

6 And now ye know that which restrains, that he should be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works; only [there is] he who restrains now until he be gone,

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

Please explain to me who this is and why you think it's Jesus?

** I am genuine in my question. I would like to know.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

so, what about the Man of Sin? I presume you are referring to 2 Thess 2:3-10?

Darby

"3 Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

4 who opposes and exalts himself on high against all called God, or object of veneration; so that he himself sits down in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Do ye not remember that, being yet with you, I said these things to you?

6 And now ye know that which restrains, that he should be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works; only [there is] he who restrains now until he be gone,

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

Please explain to me who this is and why you think it's Jesus?

** I am genuine in my question. I would like to know.

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If you cannot agree the Bible is mistranslated in places you wont agree.Many people claim that the Bible is not mistranslated in any places.Clearly it is.So lets start firstly with the MAN OF SIN.

The Greeks had 3 words for sin.

If this was an evil person do you think they would use a soft word for sin or a hard word for sin?Or would they use a word that really was not about sin.?Answer me that and we can start.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

so, what about the Man of Sin? I presume you are referring to 2 Thess 2:3-10?

Darby

"3 Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because [it will not be] unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

4 who opposes and exalts himself on high against all called God, or object of veneration; so that he himself sits down in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Do ye not remember that, being yet with you, I said these things to you?

6 And now ye know that which restrains, that he should be revealed in his own time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works; only [there is] he who restrains now until he be gone,

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

Please explain to me who this is and why you think it's Jesus?

** I am genuine in my question. I would like to know.

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Forget my last question.Lets break down the man of sin.

There were 3 words used for sin.

1 basically meant very evil things.The second meant bad stuff but not as hard a word as the first.The first meant what the second meant except that it also meant the AGGREGATE of ALL SIN.

Who exalted Himself above all that was called God  or worshipped.

THAT WAS CALLED was translated that way from a word that meant TO TEACH OR TO SPEAK.

Who sat in the Temple of God.

All through the Bible the BODY is the temple not a building.

Who showed He was God.

The only person to come close to showing He was God was Jesus.

The man with the aggregate of all sin who exalted himself above all that was taught or spoken of about God who in his Temple showed he was God.

WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE TO YOU?