"Some Lives Don't Matter"

[the_bob_delusion]

Argue for or against. Go

[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:

All lives matter. Yes indeed. But some lives matter less than others to some people.

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

Do you think all lives matter irrespective of situation or context? Don't you think , some lives matter less than others if they add nothing to humanity but instead threatens the livelihood of others? Are you "some people"?

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 To me all lives matter as I believe in redemption and forgiveness. Everyone has the ability to be redeemed by changing the course of their actions for the better. To the English when they first came  to Australia, the lives of the first Australians didn't matter. Many evil acts were committed agaInst  the indigenous people. I would like to think that in that first wave, some became more human and managed to redeem themselves.

So do evil greedy war mongering plunderers have a life that matters? See above (redemption). Do their lives have the potential to matter? See above (redemption).

Yeah, I'm "some people",  but what kind of "some people" I am or what category I am depends on who or what I choose to be,  and how I can live my life productively without ruining the quality of someone else's life.

BTW: The some people I was referring to were the people like that policeman who arrogantly and in a sociopath-like manner  took George Floyd's precious life. People who put profit before the well being of their fellow man are that same kind of some people.

[springyzone]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@4channel wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:
Argue for or against. Go

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All lives matter. Yes indeed. But some lives matter less than others to some people.

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Do you think all lives matter irrespective of situation or context? Don't you think , some lives matter less than others if they add nothing to humanity but instead threatens the livelihood of others? Are you "some people"?

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Of course situation and context matter, to nearly everyone. We can't always change the events in our world, all we can do is monitor our reaction to them.

To me, the pivotal point is that different people and different races and different cultures can and often do have different opinions about the tipping points. For instance, some countries support capital punishment, some don't. Even within our country, opinion is divided.

If someone broke into your home and violently attacked you, would you feel justified to fight back, even if you ended up killing that other person? Luckily I have never been in that situation, but I do think I probably would hit back. And because we are not all highly trained rambos, there is no way to know (for most of us) what is a killing blow and what is not. In that situation, you'd be hitting with everything you had got.

And what about war.

When people feel threatened, they usually fight back. It's a survival mechanism, it's why the human race is still around.

So situation & context matter.

We don't live on a movie set. Police in the real world are trained to shoot at main body mass (if they have to shoot at all). They aren't usually that good at shooting that they can manage to hit a leg or arm at will, while a person is moving violently. I think quite a lot of police situations (though not saying all, by any means) are brought about by a suspect or criminal reacting violently and police being scared and feeling under attack.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Chameleon wrote: Anyone who has dared to suggest that " all lives matter " as much as " Black lives matter " has been attacked and verbally vilified for challenging what is clearly a racist, separatist, discriminatory message from the very group that claims to stand against racism and discrimination......ie blatent hypocrites..

What an extraordinarily disingenuous comment to make!  All Lives Matter is simply a catchcry coined deliberately by right wing radicals  in an attempt to undermine and discredit the Black Lives Matter movement and to impute racism to anyone who dares to voice their protest at injustices dealt out to black people (both here and in America.)  

[lionrose.7]

Every living thing on Earth Matters BUT the people who are NOT treated  like humans are the ones that matter most at the moment.

We bleed red Blood, we all should be treated equally.

I dont know why people are hang up on skin Colour, perhaps it is just the way I was bought up

[icyfroth]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Every living thing on Earth Matters BUT the people who are NOT treated  like humans are the ones that matter most at the moment.

We bleed red Blood, we all should be treated equally.

I dont know why people are hang up on skin Colour, perhaps it is just the way I was bought up

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So you not see you contradicting yourself there?

Black Lives Matter...it's a skin colour thing.

[lionrose.7]

I do not wish to engage with your type of person

[icyfroth]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Icy go away troll, I do not wish to engage with your type of person

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Then don't. Simple.

[chameleon54]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Chameleon wrote: Anyone who has dared to suggest that " all lives matter " as much as " Black lives matter " has been attacked and verbally vilified for challenging what is clearly a racist, separatist, discriminatory message from the very group that claims to stand against racism and discrimination......ie blatent hypocrites..

What an extraordinarily disingenuous comment to make!  All Lives Matter is simply a catchcry coined deliberately by right wing radicals  in an attempt to undermine and discredit the Black Lives Matter movement and to impute racism to anyone who dares to voice their protest at injustices dealt out to black people (both here and in America.)  

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And " black lives matter " is simply a catchcry coined deliberately by the left wing radicals in an attempt to divide rather than unite, to separate rather than integrate and basically " bait " what they see as the other side.

To state that someones life matters based only on the colour of their skin is very clearly racist and I,m surprised some-one of your intelligence would try to pretend otherwise. If the radical activists that first thought up the racist slogan where genuine, they would have made it " all lives matter " ( before anyone else supposedly coined the phrase ) with the inference that Black lives are just as important as lives of those with any other skin colour. I suspect the problem is that radical black activists are just as prejudiced against " whites " as they view " whites" are against "blacks " hence the use of a racist ( against whites ) , discriminatory slogan. 

All of the flag waving, Rah Rah  protesters in the black lives matter rallies are too stupid to see they are being manipulated by Black extremists into fighting racism with racism. Encouraging discrimination, and separatism is a fight no-one can win.

[ambercat16]

Does this help:

[the_bob_delusion]

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@ambercat16 wrote:

Does this help:

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Now we need to figure out how to stop black people from killing other black people.