seems mandatory vaccine is the go for the work place ....

The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

 

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

 

 

 

  

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Don't worry Dom, I'm certain there'll be more misinformation coming up, maybe even some off-topic WMD pearlers.


Not wrong. 🤣

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@padi*0409 wrote:

Don't worry Dom, I'm certain there'll be more misinformation coming up, maybe even some off-topic WMD pearlers.


Not wrong. 🤣


 

its just another case of a thread being hijacked by the “safe early stage oral treatment” diatribe when the thread title is not about that.

 

This thread is about mandatory vaccination and the workplace.  Any post that does not address this is off-topic and worthy of moderation (what the poster will see as censorship).

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Let's face it K - who gives a rats. 

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Hmmm, credible sources 4C ????

 

Trial Site News :-

 

https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/trialsite-news/

 

The Desert Review :-

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/

 

Dr. Pierre Kory :-

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-ivermectin-being-used-treat-covid-2-doctors-leading-charge-20...

 

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The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

 

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

 


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I would say rogespeed that even trawling the bottom of the barrel of excuses for mandatory vaccination, not one would really stand up against the truth. And what is the truth? Well, that is to be determined.  Actually it has already been determined. Brave politicians such as Craig Kelly here and Senator Ron Johnson in the US are real men among the mice. These are men who could have all the perks and benefits of being a tow-the-line kind of politician, but they stand on what is right. For all his imperfections, I believe that this issue has made Craig Kelly rise to the occasion and it has indeed been the making of him!

 

Your post below does relate to this issue as it displays something that would be a game changer.

 

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on ‎28-10-2021 02:00 PM

 

Fractured factual tales :

In a province in India ( population greater than Australia in number of people ) which was being over run with covid , established medical had no means to vaccinate the masses , so they threw up their hands and placated popular demand for treatment using invermectin , and to everyones surprise untimely deaths dropped to almost zero

Obviously a mass psychosomatic event.....

Which shows the power of the mind manifest in emotions and belief in healing .....

( unless Covid-19 is really caused by the presence of a parasitic worm... )

After-all how can a treatment for worms defeat a virus ?

 

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Sadly as we can see in my post below which directly relates to your post #104 and has a major connection to the subject as outlined in your intro post, things are not being dealt with honestly, correctly and fairly.

 

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Quote: "After-all how can a treatment for worms defeat a virus ? ". Well, that's a good question. Sadly when people like you ask these questions, those who love empires, those who worship empires, worship a system based on class, a system that may also oppress people  .. .. ..   they cringe when people ask questions that you have here. A similar question would be ....  "How can a treatment using a substance derived from mold save so many lives"?  Well, penicillin did just that as Jennifer Rosenberg explains ! Things happen and they work for the betterment of humanity. What hinders their use in a lot of cases in the wider spectrum is incompetence and corruption. Pride can be another factor and it is not unknown for the pride of certain people of influence to allow the deaths of many just to keep intact the pride and reputation of a few. For some people in certain positions to backtrack now at this later stage would leave themselves open to law suits.

 

An article here on the Christianity Daily website by journalist  Sarah Mae Saliong is quite revealing. Sometimes regulations IMO can be helpful, very helpful in fact to keep shareholders of certain large industries happy. I'm not saying that this is always the case. Sometimes gross incompetence due to the low quality of human being that get into politics turn what is supposed to be a regulation for safety into something akin to a blockage in a water conduit that turns a green valley into a wasteland.

 

 

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Trial Site News

 

Physicians Rise Up Against WHO “Wait and See” Protocol
TrialSite Staff October 6, 2021

 

https://trialsitenews.com/physicians-rise-up-against-who-wait-and-see-protocol/

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Desert Review

 

Dr. Fareed addresses Italian Senate at COVID summit

By George C. Fareed, M.D. Sep 16, 2021 Updated Sep 21, 2021

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/local/dr-fareed-addresses-italian-senate-at-covid-summit/articl...

 

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Pat Kenny interviews Dr. Pierre Kory on Ivermectin as Covid-19 Therapeutic
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dublinvids


Pat Kenny interviews Dr. Pierre Kory on Ivermectin as Covid-19 Therapeutic

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfL86mtPpXM

 

 

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Just a minor snippet of the hundreds and hundreds of highly credible accounts. Listening to Dr. Khory in the first few minutes, it becomes obvious as to what really may be going on.

 

You know, talking about pride as I did earlier in this post,  and how some people of influence can never go back on their stance towards oral drugs. To them, their reputation and lifestyle they have grown accustomed to, which would be under threat if they were sued is more important than the lives of many.

 

Some years back I watched a movie about a "Negro" soldier who had an affair with a Caucasian English woman. I don't think it was based on a true story. Anyway, she has an affair with him and this is later discovered by her philandering husband who blackmails her into saying that she was raped by him. I think from memory this was so that she wouldn't lose her son. In the end the "Negro" soldier is executed by hanging and her words that could have saved him, in fact freed him were never uttered. Quite a sad movie. If I'm right, the film was The Affair  which starred Courtney B. Vance as the soldier Travis Holloway and Kerry Fox as the woman, Maggie Leyland.

 

Remember that oral drugs are not used on their own. They are used in conjunction with other substances

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Quote: "After-all how can a treatment for worms defeat a virus ? ". Well, that's a good question. Sadly when people like you ask these questions, those who love empires, those who worship empires, worship a system based on class, a system that may also oppress people  .. .. ..   they cringe when people ask questions that you have here. A similar question would be ....  "How can a treatment using a substance derived from mold save so many lives"?  Well, penicillin did just that as Jennifer Rosenberg explains ! Things happen and they work for the betterment of humanity. What hinders their use in a lot of cases in the wider spectrum is incompetence and corruption. Pride can be another factor and it is not unknown for the pride of certain people of influence to allow the deaths of many just to keep intact the pride and reputation of a few. For some people in certain positions to backtrack now at this later stage would leave themselves open to law suits.

 

An article here on the Christianity Daily website by journalist  Sarah Mae Saliong is quite revealing. Sometimes regulations IMO can be helpful, very helpful in fact to keep shareholders of certain large industries happy. I'm not saying that this is always the case. Sometimes gross incompetence due to the low quality of human being that get into politics turn what is supposed to be a regulation for safety into something akin to a blockage in a water conduit that turns a green valley into a wasteland.

 

 

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Trial Site News

 

Physicians Rise Up Against WHO “Wait and See” Protocol
TrialSite Staff October 6, 2021

 

https://trialsitenews.com/physicians-rise-up-against-who-wait-and-see-protocol/

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Desert Review

 

Dr. Fareed addresses Italian Senate at COVID summit

By George C. Fareed, M.D. Sep 16, 2021 Updated Sep 21, 2021

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/local/dr-fareed-addresses-italian-senate-at-covid-summit/articl...

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

Pat Kenny interviews Dr. Pierre Kory on Ivermectin as Covid-19 Therapeutic
25,078 views
Aug 14, 2021
1.1K, 16

dublinvids


Pat Kenny interviews Dr. Pierre Kory on Ivermectin as Covid-19 Therapeutic

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfL86mtPpXM

 

 

                                                            ----------------------------------------------------

Just a minor snippet of the hundreds and hundreds of highly credible accounts. Listening to Dr. Khory in the first few minutes, it becomes obvious as to what really may be going on.

 

You know, talking about pride as I did earlier in this post,  and how some people of influence can never go back on their stance towards oral drugs. To them, their reputation and lifestyle they have grown accustomed to, which would be under threat if they were sued is more important than the lives of many.

 

Some years back I watched a movie about a "Negro" soldier who had an affair with a Caucasian English woman. I don't think it was based on a true story. Anyway, she has an affair with him and this is later discovered by her philandering husband who blackmails her into saying that she was raped by him. I think from memory this was so that she wouldn't lose her son. In the end the "Negro" soldier is executed by hanging and her words that could have saved him, in fact freed him were never uttered. Quite a sad movie. If I'm right, the film was The Affair  which starred Courtney B. Vance as the soldier Travis Holloway and Kerry Fox as the woman, Maggie Leyland.

 

Remember that oral drugs are not used on their own. They are used in conjunction with other substances.

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/seems-mandatory-vaccine-is-the-go-for-the-work-pla...

 

 

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/seems-mandatory-vaccine-is-the-go-for-the-work-pla...

So what we're really seeing is a shielding of vital info in order to push through an agenda of forced vaccination. I know that one of the worst things, something that stresses the huge executives and company directors has been the progress of better pay and working conditions.  Could we see a revisit to the practice of sending little boys up chimney stacks and down sewers again?

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Actually it has already been determined. Brave politicians such as Craig Kelly here and Senator Ron Johnson in the US are real men among the mice.

So what we're really seeing is a shielding of vital info in order to push through an agenda of forced vaccination. I know that one of the worst things, something that stresses the huge executives and company directors has been the progress of better pay and working conditions.  Could we see a revisit to the practice of sending little boys up chimney stacks and down sewers again?


That's a joke surely 4C, Craig Kelly is one of the most rabid anti-vaccers in Australia. And Senator Ron Johnson ?  Well just read about him in the link below.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/politics/ron-johnson-vaccine-misinformation-fact-check/index.html

 

If you praise those two clowns, doesn't that imply that you yourself are anti vaccination for COVID ?

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Actually it has already been determined. Brave politicians such as Craig Kelly here and Senator Ron Johnson in the US are real men among the mice.

So what we're really seeing is a shielding of vital info in order to push through an agenda of forced vaccination. I know that one of the worst things, something that stresses the huge executives and company directors has been the progress of better pay and working conditions.  Could we see a revisit to the practice of sending little boys up chimney stacks and down sewers again?


@padi*0409 wrote:

 

That's a joke surely 4C, Craig Kelly is one of the most rabid anti-vaccers in Australia. And Senator Ron Johnson ?  Well just read about him in the link below.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/politics/ron-johnson-vaccine-misinformation-fact-check/index.html

 

If you praise those two clowns, doesn't that imply that you yourself are anti vaccination for COVID ?


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" clowns"?

I've already seen the hatchet jobs on Dr. Khory, Ron Johnson as well as Craig Kelly, and anyone else who is a threat to the profits of Big Pharma. You know I don't agree with everything Kelly stands on or says. But, in saying that, a lot of what he says is true.

 

And you would know that I am not anti-vaxx. I have stated that I believe some are helpful, I have also said on various occasions that I support a proper vaccine for this current corona virus. It should be available as an option alongside the proven successful oral drug, early stage treatments involving, doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and the new drug on the shelf, the costly molnupiravir by Merck.

 

I don't support the destruction of employment and livelihood, forcing people to the brink of suicide and beyond as a method to get people to accept a vaccination. That my good sir is fascism to the extreme!

Anyone who does support such a thing supports the destruction of what it means to be human and free!

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I am concerned by the increasing reach of mandating vaccination for people who have very strong objections to it. There is an important aspect to the right of the individual to choose.

 

However, in certain settings, the risk to others is sufficiently great that vaccination as a prerequisite is - quite simply - necessary for anyone who is in those settings, in contact with people who are particularly vulnerable.

 

I do support vaccinations, and regard the authorised vaccines for COVID-19 as extraordinary achievements.

 

What worries me about people who refuse to be vaccinated is if they do so on the basis of misinformation. If these people are being lied to, have been given wrong information, have been swayed by a purposeful campaign of disinformation, that is indefensible behaviour. I can and do forgive the passing on of misinformation by people who are themselves fooled (even though it is very frustrating). It's not the same case when disinformation is disseminated (or facilitated) by people who have an underlying agenda.

 

I believe that there is an underlying agenda based upon the behaviour and words of those behind these anti-vaccination anti-mask anti-social-distancing anti-COVID-is-real movements. These agitators seem to me to be contacting and infiltrating groups of people with different sorts of hesitations or concerns about the vaccines and individual freedoms. Some of those hesitations and concerns are legitimate and certainly worth consideration. I have nothing but respect for many of the issues raised originally... but once infiltrated, something evil entered into the picture. A violent "here we stand" line being drawn by people who have really been conned into this... who have been fed pseudo-sympathetic material by pseudo-sympathetic individuals who apparently respect the cause or stances of various very different groups. It's like twisting and then weaponising individual views, rather than addressing them and giving them due weight.

 

This is not - in my view - exclusively a far-right sort of movement. It's more an extremist movement (perhaps more than one, and perhaps they have very different agendas) capitalising upon any view or concern or perspective that they can manipulate. Nothing has really come to light - at least publicly - about extreme-left involvement, but I'm sceptical about the insidious nature of these manipulations and frankly don't think that left or right matters. The fact is that disinformation is being produced, and it's being spread through any means or group that will propagate it, with the same wording being used, the same non-existent or incorrect data being referred to, the same figures being hailed, and people from various and very different walks being used to spread it.

 

For example: Dr Pierre Kory's perspective seems to be that he wasn't permitted the autonomy to use patients as guinea pigs. He is not Dr Gregory House and life is not a television series with dramatic breakthroughs each episode. I put forward the notion that his ego, his sense of hubris, is being appealed to, and that he is thoroughly enjoying being a poster boy of the whole "Only we can save the world, and all of the others in the medical profession are minions of huge corporations and the media."

 

Ditto for Dr Paul Marik, who has a lot on the line as he seeks to prove that a treatment protocol devised by him, which doesn't work as he hoped it would against sepsis, is the cure-all for COVID-19. Ego and hubris again.

 

Dr Peter McCullough, ditto. It's all about government controls over just steaming ahead with any treatment or medical interventions without responsibility, without testing, without clinical trials, just blind intuition and no accountability in the event of being wrong.

 

In the case of "sovereign citizens", the emphasis is upon "my body, my choice" and "they don't have the right to force me to wear a mask", etc.

 

It goes on in that way - using whatever a group or individual may personally believe, so that that becomes the platform on which misinformation is placed, like so many straws in a game where the whole edifice could come tumbling down if sufficient care is taken.

 

 

 

It's quite complicated, and I am very wary of the twin issues between autonomy of choice and the responsibility of the individual as part of a family, group, society, community. This is an INFECTIOUS disease, which means there are wider considerations than the individual declaring his/her right to be at risk if they so choose. And yet... forcing individuals is something with which I am deeply uncomfortable.

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This is not - in my view - exclusively a far-right sort of movement. It's more an extremist movement (perhaps more than one, and perhaps they have very different agendas) capitalising upon any view or concern or perspective that they can manipulate. Nothing has really come to light - at least publicly - about extreme-left involvement, 

 

 

You cant get much more extreme left than the CFMEU unionists who recently went on the march against mandatory vaccination at Victorian worksites. As much as a few lefty media spokespeople and lefty board members tried to portray that they where somehow infiltrated and influenced by far right extremists the truth quickly came out.

 

Within a week, even the CFMEU union leadership had watered down the " infiltrated and influenced by far right extremists " to " well the extreme right wingers said stuff on social media and that influenced our members to go on a violent rampage ". 😂

 

You would have to be pretty gullible to believe those protesters wearing fluro CFMEU jackets simply picked them up from the local work wear shop. I,m not sure what work wear shops you go to, but none of the ones I frequent stock jackets with extreme left wing union membership badging plastered all over them.

 

But judging by some of the comments in the media and even on these boards at the time, it appears there are plenty of gullible people out there who will believe whatever line their team captains and lefty media spin, no matter how ludicrous it is.

 

Concerns about social freedoms and the right to choose what medical procedures are conducted on an individual person without fear of discrimination are concerns shared by all sectors of the political spectrum. 

 

And before the usuals jump in with their usual whine  " Its all about keeping others safe " line, at least have the decency to admit Double vaccinated people can easily become infected and they can readily spread the virus to others.

 

The reason they cant admit this is because it exposes the lie that mandatory vaccination is all about others safety when it is really about using forced coercion and social discrimination to force people to be vaccinated, as much for economic reasons as for any health reasons. Sure we cant keep up this economic armageddon indefinately, but lets at least be grown up enough to admit that's what a lot of this is about, rather than the fairyland fallacy that its all about keeping others safe.

 

REMEMBER  double vaccs people can catch the virus and spread it to others, so excluding non vaccs from society will never stop fully vaccs people from becoming infected with COVID and spreading it to others. While vaccination may slow the spread of the disease, all double vaccination will really do is reduce the risk that YOU will end up in hospital WHEN you become infected.

 

 And for those who cant handle the truth.......sorry but ........Most of the pro mandatory vaccination supporters on this board will at some stage in their lives become infected with COVID and the chances are they will catch it from someone else who is double vaccinated ! ( and its also highly likely they will pass the virus onto some of their double vaccs friends or family members. )

 

The truth is, as always, Its all about the $$$

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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chameleon, what you are saying about left-wing groups and the CFMEU is exactly the point I was making. Disparate groups on any side of politics have been affected, religious groups of various sorts have been affected, and who is behind it...? It's been fairly clear that there are right-wing extremists driving this with infiltration, but I would not be surprised to learn of left-wind extremists and no-wing extremists being driving forces behind the disinformation as well.

 

I think this is well beyond being a political issue.

 

 

Re infectivity, fully vaccinated people are far less likely to become infected than unvaccinated people or partially vaccinated people.

 

Fully vaccinated people are also far less likely to transmit the virus (infecting others) than unvaccinated people or partially vaccinated people.

 

Unvaccinated people are also the most likely to end up in hospital. The following chart shows hospitalisation for COVID-19 patients in NSW between August and October 2021.

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This shows the risk of being hospitalised with COVID-19 is 24 times higher for the unvaccinated than for the vaccinated.

 

Of course we should bear in mind that the above data reflects hospitalisation in NSW, and we are seeing fewer hospitalisations in Victoria. It is clear that the vaccination rate in Victoria is a factor... but the high number of new cases here in Victoria is still concerning me.

 

 

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