should Margaret Court receive an australia day honour?

[davidc4430]

should being a homophobic bigot rule her out of an award like an australia day honour?

[myoclon1cjerk]

Better to be woke than asleep. If you want a good person to do bad things, you'll need religion.
https://youtu.be/-pmArHBW9ns

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@aussie-picker wrote:

Its great to see the Woke Lynch mob mentality is alive and well .

Not 😞

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Lynch mob mentality? would this be the kind of thing you were referring to, because I can't say I've never heard of a fundamentalist christian being murdered by a  gang of homosexuals.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s a series of violent murders took place near Sydneys famous Bondi Beach. Three innocent men were attacked and thrown to their deaths from a cliff top. The murders were part of a much wider wave of violent hate crimes as gangs of youths roamed Sydneys inner suburbs randomly bashing and killing gay men for sport.

Among the victims at Bondi was Wollongong television newsreader, Ross Warren, a gay man who disappeared while visiting friends in Sydney in 1989. Ross Warrens case was dismissed by police as a probable accident. But his mother conducted a long campaign to have her sons disappearance finalised.

Then, some ten years after he was first reported missing, Rosss police file finally came to the desk of one courageous investigator who started to dig a little deeper.

Detective Sergeant Stephen Page quickly realised that there was more to the Ross Warren case than was uncovered in the original investigation. The file contained a great many unanswered questions.

As he read the file Detective Page began to uncover similarities with other murders and slowly the shocking pattern of violence and death began to emerge.

Another murder victim was Bondi resident John Russell, a gay man who had inherited some money and was about to leave for the country to start a new life when his body was found at the foot of the Bondi cliffs.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1833142/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

[bright.ton42]

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@not_for_sale2024 wrote:

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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"So she's a true Christian who cleary is just following what her bible tells her to do." 

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I'm confident the Christians who voted in favour of same sex marriage in 2017 would disagree. She is not a true Christian, unless of course you are suggesting that true Christians are bigots? The messages she receives from the Bible are badly messed up in her head. She owns her homophobia, not her God.

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And there are so many versions of Christianity now who can say theirs is the 'true' one?.  Just as one cannot say which is the true bible.  (and this has been dfiscussed here elsewhere)  The interpretation of Pentecostal Christianity is mainly  harsh and filled with bigotry that would be offensive even  to many non-Christians.  Within most religions there are the moderates and the zealots.  The moderate Pentecostals choose to concentrate more  on peace and kindness,  the zealots on hellfire and damnation. No mistaking which one  Court is.  

[chameleon54]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Better to be woke than asleep. If you want a good person to do bad things, you'll need religion.
https://youtu.be/-pmArHBW9ns

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Or be a member of Parliament..........Plenty of good people go into both sides of politics, only to get sucked into the vortex of  political brinkmanship and power, ultimately selling out personal beliefs in the lust for power. 

Two good examples -

John Howard ( honest John ) and look how that ended up with weapons of mass destruction and children overboard.

And the unseemly sight of Gay Labor Senator, Penny Wong speaking out and actively campaigning AGAINST Gay marriage when the Labor party opposed it.

[joztamps]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Better to be woke than asleep. If you want a good person to do bad things, you'll need religion.
https://youtu.be/-pmArHBW9ns

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Or be a member of Parliament..........Plenty of good people go into both sides of politics, only to get sucked into the vortex of  political brinkmanship and power, ultimately selling out personal beliefs in the lust for power. 

Two good examples -

John Howard ( honest John ) and look how that ended up with weapons of mass destruction and children overboard.

And the unseemly sight of Gay Labor Senator, Penny Wong speaking out and actively campaigning AGAINST Gay marriage when the Labor party opposed it.

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To paraphrase/plagiarise the immortal George Burns

The most important thing for a politician is honesty.

If he can fake that, he's got it made.

[4channel]

The lynch mob mentality is the attacking of Christians who just express what they believe be it defending the sanctity or marriage between a man and woman or the sanctity of life.

In this day and age there seems to be a war on Christianity  just as much as there is one on Islam. Extreme fundamentalist represent neither of those two Abrahamic faiths. The same can be for their sometimes-called  parent-faith Judaism.

Margaret Court I believe is not an extreme fundamentalist. She is a fundamentalist. Like Israel Folau, she has not chosen her words wisely. A few decades ago, there wouldn't have been much of a reaction. Things are different now. Let's not forget that  Court is "Old school". She comes from a different generation.

It could be argued that Pastor Steven Anderson is an extreme fundementalist. Well, neither Margaret Court, nor Israel Folau who she supported are on Pastor Anderson's level of rhetoric.

Those killers of Homosexuals in Bondi back then were not Christians. They were not motivated by Christian beliefs. Possibly some of the killers were disgusted by what went on down there. I believe on walk path was nick-named sodomy lane or track (or something similar) and a person could walk past multiple couples engaged in homosexual activity.  Regardless of what was going on, nobody had a right to resort to violence. The attackers would havee known what was going on there, they just didn't stumble in to it. They had the option to stay away. Yes, a lot of the attackers would have been violent thugs out looking for blood. Some (a minority) may have been attacked buy a homosexual when they were young and looking for revenge, and easily led. Other attackers may have been opportunist criminals looking to roll a homosexual for his wallet, knowing that he would be too frightened to  complain to police for fear of being outed.

[davewil1964]

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@4channel wrote:

The lynch mob mentality is the attacking of Christians who just express what they believe be it defending the sanctity or marriage between a man and woman or the sanctity of life.

In this day and age there seems to be a war on Christianity  just as much as there is one on Islam. Extreme fundamentalist represent neither of those two Abrahamic faiths. The same can be for their sometimes-called  parent-faith Judaism.

Margaret Court I believe is not an extreme fundamentalist. She is a fundamentalist. Like Israel Folau, she has not chosen her words wisely. A few decades ago, there wouldn't have been much of a reaction. Things are different now. Let's not forget that  Court is "Old school". She comes from a different generation.

It could be argued that Pastor Steven Anderson is an extreme fundementalist. Well, neither Margaret Court, nor Israel Folau who she supported are on Pastor Anderson's level of rhetoric.

Those killers of Homosexuals in Bondi back then were not Christians. They were not motivated by Christian beliefs. Possibly some of the killers were disgusted by what went on down there. I believe on walk path was nick-named sodomy lane or track (or something similar) and a person could walk past multiple couples engaged in homosexual activity.  Regardless of what was going on, nobody had a right to resort to violence. The attackers would havee known what was going on there, they just didn't stumble in to it. They had the option to stay away. Yes, a lot of the attackers would have been violent thugs out looking for blood. Some (a minority) may have been attacked buy a homosexual when they were young and looking for revenge, and easily led. Other attackers may have been opportunist criminals looking to roll a homosexual for his wallet, knowing that he would be too frightened to  complain to police for fear of being outed.

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How do you know? Do you have knowledge the general public doesn't?

It's irrelevant, the attitude at the time condoned the crimes. As evinced by police sweeping them under the rug.

I'm fairly sure somewhere in the Bible is the tropism to live and let live.

Once again, you bring an American into a discussion about an Australian honour.

[4channel]

Perhaps some members of the general public have come across info in readily available books and media that you have yet to access.

[chameleon54]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Chameleon wrote One of the problems with our nation and community at the moment is that free speech and the right to express views based on our ( christian ) religious freedoms is under threat. Both on this forum and in the wider community any view that does not align with the leftist, socialist dogma is drowned out with howls of indignation.

And do those who  align with the leftist, socialist dogma not have an equal right to free speech - or does the fact that there are far more of them than there areof  fundamentalist Christians meanonly the minority view should not be heard?

And what about fundamentalists from other religions? Are radical Imams merely exercising their right to free speech  when they quote the Koran on the treatment of women and infidels? And are those who condemn these views 'drowning them out with howls of indignation because their view does not align with the leftist, socialist dogma?

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Of course those on the left have an equal right to free speech. No-one has suggested otherwise.

The problem Australian society currently has is those on the left have adopted a tactic of vilification and denigration of any view that does not align with leftist, socialist dogma. This is a global problem and we are now seeing the damage it is doing. Rather than agreeing on mutual middle ground and then working towards solutions for things that groups oppose each other on, we are instead seeing a polarisation of views and more extreme behaviours as opposing groups fight each other rather than co-operate with each other to find workable solutions.

The left / socialist tactics of suppression and vilification of opposing views at all costs, has given rise to the extreme partisanship that we have seen in American politics of late and it is starting to influence Australia's social and political discourse in a similar way.

It is proving to be a very destructive and irresponsible way to conduct social negotiation and change.

[davewil1964]

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@4channel wrote:

Perhaps some members of the general public have come across info in readily available books and media that you have yet to access.

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Of course they swore their religious belief at the time. You are projecting your feelings/thoughts. Something you often do. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it true. Just something you do.