we are 28th in the world in internet speed :(

[***super_nova***]

And we can only hope that the LNP will change their minds, will listen to reason and implement the NBN.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5aFEhTyNjc

 and for those who do not understand how much difference it would make, and are unsure about the bits and bytes, and the difference between FTTP and FTTN

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1REhLC8lKo

[catsnknots]

I get 19 Mb/s   global Internet average is 14.5 mb/s

I am way too slow for uploading but we don't do that here anyway so not concerned. 

I think that people are not willing to pay for the higher speeds and that is why they are so slow... but I also think that the neglect of the copper network since the talk to NBN is to blame for the slow speeds. I know way too many people that can't get lines fixed thanks to the NBN promise and it was going to be ten years before they got fiber... I hope now they can at least get their lines fixed. 

[freakiness]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

I get 19 Mb/s   global Internet average is 14.5 mb/s

I am way too slow for uploading but we don't do that here anyway so not concerned. 

I think that people are not willing to pay for the higher speeds and that is why they are so slow... but I also think that the neglect of the copper network since the talk to NBN is to blame for the slow speeds. I know way too many people that can't get lines fixed thanks to the NBN promise and it was going to be ten years before they got fiber... I hope now they can at least get their lines fixed. 

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The copper has been deteriorating long befoer the NBN was even thought of.

Upload might not be important to you but it is to many others.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674351979.html

Telstra will replace its century-old copper wire phone network with new technology within the next 15 years, saying the ageing lines are now at "five minutes to midnight".

Telstra executives revealed the problem at a Senate inquiry into broadband services on Wednesday - the same day the company was forced to apologise again for problems with its BigPond email service.

In an email sent to customers late on Wednesday night, Telstra said the most recent email problems had to do with balancing the load on the system, rather than its actual capacity.

"The BigPond team would like to apologise for some intermittent email problems you may have experienced this week," Telstra said.

"We quickly dedicated all available resources to the problem, working to address it by rebalancing the email load."

Telstra's chief executive, Ziggy Switkowski, has promised to spend $100 million upgrading BigPond, after 1.5 million internet customers had their emails delayed by up to 48 hours.

The Telstra board is likely to come under fire for the email problems from shareholders at the company's annual general meeting today.

Telstra's manager of regulatory strategy, Tony Warren, gave the Senate broadband inquiry details of the company's problems with its ageing copper network.

He said ADSL, the high-speed internet service that runs over copper wires, was the bridging broadband technology Telstra was using until it replaced the network.

He described ADSL as the "last sweat" of revenue Telstra could wring out of the 100-year-old copper wire network.

A Telstra spokesman denied the ageing copper wire had anything to do with the email problems.

[lakeland27]

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@poddster wrote:

Unfortunately the 'younger electorate' lack experience and knowledge. they have been conned into believing that they NEED ultra fast NBN when in fact they don't have a clue about the subject.

Due to their inexperience they are easily conned int wanting what they have been told that that NEED

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 i dont think so.  the needs they have aren't the most pressing, but they carry the most weight within the demographic. short sighted you lot as ever.

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It's a bit of a strange misinformed view that it's the young who are the pro NBN anyway.

Some people just seem to stereo type everyone else and start generalised attacks on certain demographics.

Often the young don't know the difference and have been conned by the old wireless is all we'll need in the future or the nodes will give us faster, better, sooner, cheaper spin.

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what i meant was that regardless of whether the perceived needs of younger people are valid or not as a reason, it would be a foolish politician to dis them. i know the real benefits are elsewhere, but there are votes are to be found in self-interest.

[monman12]

FN I repeat, show us a balance sheet for the cost (of the 2 NBNs)  instead of unsubstantiated  statements.

FN: " We can use phone, eftpos, HD skype, G+ video chat, stream ABC24, ABC4kids at the same time" Interesting "My small business workplace" you have there !

FN: "My small business workplace pays $1500 per year less for a basic NBN service than those that stuck with the basic copper service" ???????

Meaning ADSL ( 1 & 2) I presume? Which according to your statement means that  (taking a $50 pm ADSL plan) you pay $2100 less, or in understandable terms,  a basic copper service (you say) costs $2100 more than your NBN.

Yes, I think we live on different planets!

I ask again FN, what speed do you require (actually use) that would suffice?, because a  "basic NBN"which you say you  use  is  NBN Tier 1 12Mbps.

nɥºɾ

[freakiness]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@freakiness wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

Unfortunately the 'younger electorate' lack experience and knowledge. they have been conned into believing that they NEED ultra fast NBN when in fact they don't have a clue about the subject.

Due to their inexperience they are easily conned int wanting what they have been told that that NEED

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 i dont think so.  the needs they have aren't the most pressing, but they carry the most weight within the demographic. short sighted you lot as ever.

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It's a bit of a strange misinformed view that it's the young who are the pro NBN anyway.

Some people just seem to stereo type everyone else and start generalised attacks on certain demographics.

Often the young don't know the difference and have been conned by the old wireless is all we'll need in the future or the nodes will give us faster, better, sooner, cheaper spin.

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what i meant was that regardless of whether the perceived needs of younger people are valid or not as a reason, it would be a foolish politician to dis them. i know the real benefits are elsewhere, but there are votes are to be found in self-interest.

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Yes, and you didn't make the claim that it is the young who know nothing.  😄

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN I repeat, show us a balance sheet for the cost (of the 2 NBNs)  instead of unsubstantiated  statements.

FN: " We can use phone, eftpos, HD skype, G+ video chat, stream ABC24, ABC4kids at the same time" Interesting "My small business workplace" you have there !

FN: "My small business workplace pays $1500 per year less for a basic NBN service than those that stuck with the basic copper service" ???????

Meaning ADSL ( 1 & 2) I presume? Which according to your statement means that  (taking a $50 pm ADSL plan) you pay $2100 less, or in understandable terms,  a basic copper service (you say) costs $2100 more than your NBN.

Yes, I think we live on different planets!

I ask again FN, what speed do you require (actually use) that would suffice?, because a  "basic NBN"which you say you  use  is  NBN Tier 1 12Mbps.

nɥºɾ

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No John, my RSP does not have 12/1 service and it was not even available when my area first got connected.

Secondly there is no ADSL here for $50 per month.

The NBN balance sheets are available through Hansard and the parliamentary committee links. The Lib version has not made any available.

And yes, it is an interesting small business workplace. Sometimes we have kids to amuse while their parents are visiting so ABC4kids is a perfect standby.  There are no radios or TVs so internet streaming is it.

[monman12]

LL: "i only read genuine expert opinion.unlike you i have no vested interest. do you think i should 'get in' to telstra shares ?"

You might well read expert opinion LL, but do you you understand it ?

Does  a snide comment  apropos vested interest have any relevance within the debate LL?,  and how exactly does being a Telstra shareholder, among 1.5 million others  qualify me  as having a specific vested interest  in an outcome that either way Telstra stands to gain by, and over which I have no control?.

As for buying Telstra shares get some expert opinion, but you have missed the boat.  I purchased a lot in 2010 when I understood the ramifications of the NBN  frantically buying off competition  by paying Telstra to shut down its (so awful) copper network.

nɥºɾ

[lakeland27]

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@monman12 wrote:

LL: "i only read genuine expert opinion.unlike you i have no vested interest. do you think i should 'get in' to telstra shares ?"

You might well read expert opinion LL, but do you you understand it ?

Does  a snide comment  apropos vested interest have any relevance within the debate LL?,  and how exactly does being a Telstra shareholder, among 1.5 million others  qualify me  as having a specific vested interest  in an outcome that either way Telstra stands to gain by, and over which I have no control?.

As for buying Telstra shares get some expert opinion, but you have missed the boat.  I purchased a lot in 2010 when I understood the ramifications of the NBN  frantically buying off competition  by paying Telstra to shut down its (so awful) copper network.

nɥºɾ

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 i don't think there's shame in a private vested interest.. such as a shareholding. so i don't mean to be critical of you in those terms.

i do however detect a bias . and i'd say its probably got a little to do with that interest, again understandable. but i think i said  you do read expert opinion as i do and the point of difference is possibly the stake you have ? at least that's what i meant. i in no way meant it as a attack.

[lakeland27]

 say all you want about Westpac, and me profiting from the mortgage misery of others.. feel free. don't think i haven't thought about it.

[catsnknots]

The copper has been deteriorating long before the NBN was even thought of.

And they use to replace it... now they do nothing to it... they leave the bad line in place because they are not going to "fix" it when in 1 - 10 years time they are going to install fiber. 

so you have a deteriorating line with nothing to tide you over til the nbn passes your door. which might take forever... or even never for some...