where was god?

[davidc4430]

Woman fighting for life, 28 injured in NSW bus crash

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-27/bus-crash-in-harden-injures-17-people/11553584

he/she musta been busy?

[bright.ton42]

NSW Ambulance Inspector Stephen Pollard said passengers had to escape through the side windows of the bus, which was operated by Griffith-based MIA Coaches.

"They were shaken but not stirred," he said.

i can hardly believe that  the ambulance inspector made this ironic James Bond remark in such a situation.  

(Referring to how Bond always likes his cocktails)    

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Woman fighting for life, 28 injured in NSW bus crash

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-27/bus-crash-in-harden-injures-17-people/11553584

he/she musta been busy?

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He was M.I.A.....like the coach

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On the up side...apparently they do a great mystery tour.. one left in 2017 and it has not been sighted since

[chameleon54]

My family are pretty straight, practicle, no time for buII s**t  sort of people ( who would have guessed ) but many members of the family seem to have a well developed sense of " spirituality " for lack of a better word. I have one sister who works with indiginous communities who swears she can see spirits or ghosts. My mother often phones during crisis to ask what is wrong and my young son would " guess " what song was going to play on the radio before it started. Not once but several times in a row.

 I,ve personally experienced enough unexplained phenomina to know that there is a lot of stuff we dont know or understand. I put a lot of it down to ESP and intuition which could be a natural, ancient communication or survival instinct that all animals have to some extent, with some having a more well developed " gift " or natural apptitude in the skill, but this doesnt explain the sisters ghost stories ( or the same experiences both myself and a later resident of an old house had ).

I also look at ancient cultures. All have some form of religeon, often very similar in characteristics. Some of this could be explained by ancient see travel and communication between civilisations, but it doesnt explain it all. They all believe in fairly similar stuff..... Did they all have it wrong ?

Personally I dont believe in the god and fairy stories of any specific book. It is simply not rational to believe that one specific story book has everything just right and all the others are wrong, but I suspect there is a whole lot of stuff going on that science has not even looked at yet.

[springyzone]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Personally I dont believe in the god and fairy stories of any specific book. It is simply not rational to believe that one specific story book has everything just right and all the others are wrong, but I suspect there is a whole lot of stuff going on that science has not even looked at yet.

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I'm with you 100% on that, chameleon.

I have personal experience of what I could only call ESP, things that have happened to me and to some family members.

I also read a report about prayer. A study showed that some sick people showed a better than expected recovery when a group of people prayed for them-even when they didn't know the group was praying for them.

I don't think we have to put this down, necessarily, to anything religious. It could point to the power of the collective mind. Maybe there are forces we don't fully understand yet. But if so, it is interesting, as it could mean that focused thoughts have power too.

It's also a scary concept as we wouldn't want a world where a lot of people were focused on hate or discord.

[not_for_sale2025]

God work's in mysterious ways!

[brerrabbit585]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

My family are pretty straight, practicle, no time for buII s**t  sort of people ( who would have guessed ) but many members of the family seem to have a well developed sense of " spirituality " for lack of a better word. I have one sister who works with indiginous communities who swears she can see spirits or ghosts. My mother often phones during crisis to ask what is wrong and my young son would " guess " what song was going to play on the radio before it started. Not once but several times in a row.

 I,ve personally experienced enough unexplained phenomina to know that there is a lot of stuff we dont know or understand. I put a lot of it down to ESP and intuition which could be a natural, ancient communication or survival instinct that all animals have to some extent, with some having a more well developed " gift " or natural apptitude in the skill, but this doesnt explain the sisters ghost stories ( or the same experiences both myself and a later resident of an old house had ).

I also look at ancient cultures. All have some form of religeon, often very similar in characteristics. Some of this could be explained by ancient see travel and communication between civilisations, but it doesnt explain it all. They all believe in fairly similar stuff..... Did they all have it wrong ?

Personally I dont believe in the god and fairy stories of any specific book. It is simply not rational to believe that one specific story book has everything just right and all the others are wrong, but I suspect there is a whole lot of stuff going on that science has not even looked at yet.

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So anyone who believes that The Bible is true is not rational, but it's rational to believe in other 'spirits'?  Join David in the ranks of the mockers.  This isn't the first time he's mocked people who profess to be Christian and actually try and follow Christ.  He's denigrated Christians (and God) more than once before, all based on what he thinks the Bible says, but he misquotes it because he hasn't got a clue.  He seems quite proud of the fact that he doesn't believe in God, and if God isn't in his life how could he be anything but godless?  It's not rational to say someone is godly if they don't even believe in God and you have to be either one or the other - godly or godless.

I just love the way it's okay to mock religious people but if we dare say anything against people who aren't religious we're the worst in the world.  Talk about double standards!!

[springyzone]

You're quite right in that Christianity is under attack at the moment. It is almost fashionable to mock Christians. You'll notice that very few dare to mock muslims. They'll tell you there are extremes in 'every' religion, (which of course there are) but they know in a practical sense what is safe to mock & what's not. I actually believe that some of the trendies are going about hating our traditional western society.

Of course, a belief in Christianity is no more irrational than a belief in spirits or a belief in any other religion.

My personal feeling is that people look for a higher system, a meaning in life, a system of values. Religion gives this to people, plus often a sense of community. If you look at just about any society, that sense of community is really important, especially for teens.

Often religion will give them those rites of passage that they need, the signals that they are passing into adulthood. These could be Confirmation, Bar Mitzvah etc

Then you have marriage, the formal celebration that you are passing into another phase of life.

I think some of the problems with gangs in our society is the youths face a loss of direction & they are looking for a sense of belonging in all the wrong places.

But when it comes to religion and religious beliefs, I am a bit like Chameleon in that I doubt any one religion has the sole ownership of truth and all the rest have got it wrong.

I do believe that there is more to this universe than any of us realise or know.

Some things that some people mock eg the power of prayer, ESP etc are proving to have some power but to me, they may be based on powers within us.

Certainly though, perfectly rational people can have strong faith and they don't deserve to be mocked, any more than those who have absolutely no beliefs at all.

[tasfleur]

"He seems quite proud of the fact that he doesn't believe in God, and if God isn't in his life how could he be anything but godless?  It's not rational to say someone is godly if they don't even believe in God and you have to be either one or the other - godly or godless"

Godly or godless?  Why does anyone have to be either, and how does one decide that as a description for another they don't even know because they have a different opinion about it all?

It could be argued that it's all regarding behaviour;  for example cults, sects, dangerous religions that are about control, power, money and nothing else other than insane people from the top down who generate massive fear/control in people who are unable to take responsibility for their own lives, thoughts, actions and behaviours, so hand it all over to the fear mongers who call themselves "pastors" and "leaders" of "faith".

Right back to first recorded history, religions of many types can be seen to have generated murder, mayhem, bigotry, hatred, discrimination and indifference to the rights of innocent others who just wanted to be left alone.  Not to mention what has happened to innocent children at the hands of some high end religious types who hid/hide behind their weird robes and call themselves "father", even in this day and age.  Time, ethics, morality taught them nothing.  Had they forgotten that they are still just human flesh and bones, not holy?

There are, no doubt, pockets of "religions" who don't set out to hurt anyone else and just want to keep their faith and communities within boundaries that don't threaten others who do not wish to join in.

As for "mocking" christians (in particular), perhaps that could be more about christian behaviours that do not emulate the person of Jesus Christ who very clearly, if one sincerely believes it , taught about "loving thy neighbour etc"

The televangelists would have a field day with that one in terms of their gigantic bank accounts and mansions.

If that means someone like me is indeed, "godless", so be it, but do I need to be involved with churches, religious faith, christians or any other man made religious behaviours that make so many unrealistic demands and creates fear of the unknown in my life? .... A resounding NO!  All I have to do is take responsibility for my own life and help those I can without spiritual blackmail.

[davidc4430]

sorry if my sense of humor set anyone off

whilst i dont believe in god or the afterlife i do hope there is something better waiting for me than this life gave, not that this life has been particularly bad.

if anyone has a strong belief there is some entity out there looking after them go for it, as long as your not harming anyone or trying to convince me by saying by not believing i'm going to go somewhere not nice when i die.

i'll find out eventually, and if it turns out living peacefully and not being involved with others sends you to hell, then whats that say about the other place?

[martinw-48]

The fact is that nobody knows either way.
I don't seek to mock any religion but I abhore people that lord religion over others just as much as those that don't believe try to lord that over others and those who knock on my door and try and convert me to their religion
I believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion
I have been denergrated because I wasn't raised in a Christian home
I was free to discover for myself once my father killed himself
I wasn't indoctrinated into any religion or sport and for that I'm thankful
Could have done without the beatings both at home and school but that taught me to be wary of all people and in a way that's helpful
If I'm going to hell for being open minded then so be it
Heaven for the climate
Hell for the company
If the punishment for only going by what is an undeniable fact is eternal damnation then I don't want to be in the company of such a being