on โ03-11-2020 08:27 AM
on โ16-01-2021 02:20 PM
@rogevibe wrote:How much different it would have been if Trump after realising the protest had got hijacked by extremist nutters - all past 400+ pro-Trump nationwide gatherings had been peaceful - who had invaded the congress building with the objective of directly obstructing a democratic process by personal confrontation with elected officials - Senators no less - had travelled to the congress building and directly confronted the rabble and have them remove themselves , rather than scurry back to the White House to appanenty watch events unfold on TV
How much different it would have been if Trump had not incited the mob to march on capitol hill, be very tough and very strong, and had marched with them, instead of lying that he would. The main difference is that five dead people would still be alive.
on โ16-01-2021 04:19 PM
@rogevibe wrote:
@lalbo-81 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@domino-710 wrote:It will be a while - she has just been re-elected - the third most powerful in the land.
And America is the loser. With her hanging around, the Democrats will spend most of their time looking back and trying to get revenge rather than looking forward and getting on with the job. She is a corrosive, destructive old hag who will drag the Democrats down, rather than help build them up.
Its time for America to spring clean, throw out the garbage and start afresh.
You are clueless, my friend. I'm sorry if that hurts you're feelings, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. This isn't a matter of revenge, it's a matter of JUSTICE. Trump incited an insurrection, period. He deserves to go to jail for it, but at the very least, he MUST be stripped of any chanc to ever run for office again. He is a danger to my country.
How much different it would have been if Trump after realising the protest had got hijacked by extremist nutters - all past 400+ pro-Trump nationwide gatherings had been peaceful - who had invaded the congress building with the objective of directly obstructing a democratic process by personal confrontation with elected officials - Senators no less - had travelled to the congress building and directly confronted the rabble and have them remove themselves , rather than scurry back to the White House to appanenty watch events unfold on TV
Gee, except for the one where an old man was punched by a Trump supporter..ot the one where a Trump supporter shot a teenage girl.. shall I go on? And "what if" is nothing but BS. REALITY MATTERS.
on โ16-01-2021 04:22 PM
@not_for_sale wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:How much different it would have been if Trump after realising the protest had got hijacked by extremist nutters - all past 400+ pro-Trump nationwide gatherings had been peaceful - who had invaded the congress building with the objective of directly obstructing a democratic process by personal confrontation with elected officials - Senators no less - had travelled to the congress building and directly confronted the rabble and have them remove themselves , rather than scurry back to the White House to appanenty watch events unfold on TV
How much different it would have been if Trump had not incited the mob to march on capitol hill, be very tough and very strong, and had marched with them, instead of lying that he would. The main difference is that five dead people would still be alive.
And my youngest son wouldn't be in DC right now either. He's a member of the National Guard. Please pray fot him, and all of the sane citizens of my country. We don't deserve this insanity.
on โ16-01-2021 08:15 PM
on โ16-01-2021 11:49 PM
@lalbo-81 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@lalbo-81 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@domino-710 wrote:It will be a while - she has just been re-elected - the third most powerful in the land.
And America is the loser. With her hanging around, the Democrats will spend most of their time looking back and trying to get revenge rather than looking forward and getting on with the job. She is a corrosive, destructive old hag who will drag the Democrats down, rather than help build them up.
Its time for America to spring clean, throw out the garbage and start afresh.
You are clueless, my friend. I'm sorry if that hurts you're feelings, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. This isn't a matter of revenge, it's a matter of JUSTICE. Trump incited an insurrection, period. He deserves to go to jail for it, but at the very least, he MUST be stripped of any chanc to ever run for office again. He is a danger to my country.
How much different it would have been if Trump after realising the protest had got hijacked by extremist nutters - all past 400+ pro-Trump nationwide gatherings had been peaceful - who had invaded the congress building with the objective of directly obstructing a democratic process by personal confrontation with elected officials - Senators no less - had travelled to the congress building and directly confronted the rabble and have them remove themselves , rather than scurry back to the White House to appanenty watch events unfold on TV
Gee, except for the one where an old man was punched by a Trump supporter..ot the one where a Trump supporter shot a teenage girl.. shall I go on? And "what if" is nothing but BS. REALITY MATTERS.
Relatively insignificant casulties for the frequency and number involved in those protests - as evidenced by no torching of cbd's , no mass looting , no general anachy , calm police
In such events always be a few lunatics who the crowds are to slow to pacify or the actions of opposition trouble-makers
on โ16-01-2021 11:56 PM
A question for some time is what if anything will done done to improve obvious integrity in the election voting process
and for us here should we be evaluating our process
I know a lot of koori people do not vote - maybe someone else is for them ... just enough to make a difference in some electorates....
on โ17-01-2021 12:15 AM
@rogevibe wrote:Relatively insignificant casulties for the frequency and number involved in those protests - as evidenced by no torching of cbd's , no mass looting , no general anachy , calm police
In such events always be a few lunatics who the crowds are to slow to pacify or the actions of opposition trouble-makers
"Relatively insignificant casulties". And no torching, mass looting or anarchy. I assume you are referring to the BLM protests last year? That all sounds like something Trump would say. Some minds are dark and disturbed.
on โ17-01-2021 10:01 AM
@lalbo-81 wrote:And my youngest son wouldn't be in DC right now either. He's a member of the National Guard. Please pray fot him, and all of the sane citizens of my country. We don't deserve this insanity.
Firstly, I hope your son stays safe, it must be a worry for you. I have a son in the police force and you do worry about some of the loonies out there and what can happen.
I know you're worried about Trump and about him getting back into power, maybe in 2024. No matter what happens with impeachment, I'd be pretty sure that's one worry you can toss out. Things move on and a losing politician is pretty much a spent force. By 2024, who knows where we will be and by then you'll have other politicians jostling for position, don't you worry about that. Think of Hilary Clinton, up there in 2016, nowhere in the race in 2020. Times move on.
But the main factor is Trump will be about 78 by then. Anything can happen to a person's health once they hit that age. I am not saying it will, as I have an aunt in her 90s who was in the pink at 78, and at 88 for that matter, but I don't think it's the norm. Donald will move on to other interests.
Now as to 'we don't deserve this insanity'. The sane ones never do. But it hasn't blown in out of nowhere. I'm a bit of a believer in the fact that anything that happens generally has several factors leading up to it. The USA over the last 12 months seems to have had a lot of violence, a lot of riots, a lot of marches. When that sort of thing becomes almost the norm, you can expect copy cat behaviour.
I don't think your federal or state politicians have done enough to quell that sort of thing. It's not just Trump. When there were cities burning, some of the democrat state leaders were up there saying most of the rioters were peaceful and well behaved, which may be true, but doesn't address the problem. It's apologist behaviour.
Same situation in the latest trouble. Quite possibly most of the demonstrators were 'peaceful and well behaved' but again, the problem is those who weren't.
Next in line is the fact that the election was in Nov and the USA is still messing around and has not yet had a hand over of power. Yes, I know it is 'tradition' but it is one tradition that probably needs to change. For almost 3 months every 4 years, no matter how peaceful things are, you have a lame duck president in power, just marking time. Your country would be far better having a hand over in early Dec at latest, that gives (usually) time for results to be well known but not too much time for trouble making. Once someone is in power, most people accept it.
Then there is the gun culture, where more people in USA find it easier to own a gun and it can make violence easier. Well, maybe not violence as such but it can make consequences more serious as a gun wound is likely to be more lethal than a kick.
I blame your politicians for a lot of the trouble, they have not seemed to be working with any cohesion or leadership during the pandemic, they have let that get right out of hand, they have not done enough to stomp on some of the violence over the last 12 months. The majority of people in US are (I believe) sane and sensible, but some of the loonies seem to be getting out of hand.
on โ17-01-2021 03:38 PM
Things are getting interesting as the insurgents are now saying that Trump should pardon them because they were only doing what he told them to do. I wonder how will those who claim Trump did not incite anybody explain that LOL.
Why do I have the feeling that Trump has no time to be thinking about pardoning anybody but himself....
on โ17-01-2021 04:11 PM
But can he give himself a preemptive pardon? by the time he has been tried in the Senate (if indeed this happens) and been convicted of something for which he might need a pardon, he will no longer be president and therefore unable to grant one
