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I was unable to get back to the forums after I posted my message and now can't reply due to that forum being locked. I don't expect Michelle to read here, but I'm going to give my reply to her response anyway.

 

"We want sellers to succeed on eBay which is why the standards were changed last year to remove subjectivity and make the system fairer for sellers."

 

Really? Well why are sellers being constantly screwed over by both buyers and eBay? I will use the eBay wardrobers as an example. They are people who buy a garment from someone, wear it to the event they bought it for, no longer have a use for it, claim there is something wrong with it so the seller has to pay the return postage to get it back. A buyer did that to a seller who visited the forum. Said it was damaged badly on receipt, so they opened an SNAD dispute. The savvy seller did their own investigation and found a photo of the buyer on their facebook page wearing this alleged badly damaged garment at a party. Even with that evidence, the buyer still got refunded.

 

Then there's the buyer who buys something expensive, like a computer. Says it doesn't work and opens a dispute so the seller has to pay to have it returned. The seller gets the item back and it's not the item they sent. They have proof it's not the item they sent. Buyer still gets a full refund. They have kept a fully functional item and sent back their dead one. A brand new item for free. Shoplifters are becoming rife on eBay.

 

Then there's other sellers who accept the return and instead of the buyer sending back the $5,000 item they bought, they send back a scarf or a piece of paper. Tracking number says delivered, they get a full refund. When queried, eBay says they sent *something* back and that is good enough for them. Seller then out a $5,000 item and the $5,000. Buyer laughing all the way to the back and ready to rip someone else off.

 

Tell me how things are becoming fairer for sellers?

 

In reply to eezi's message:

"eBay has detection methods to identify and block buyers who consistently break buying policies, don't pay for items or show a pattern of leaving unwarranted negative Feedback."

 

Sorry Michelle, but that is the funniest thing I think I've ever read on the forums. I laughed so hard even though it is VERY unfunny. There are 2 members on my follow list on this account who are owned by the same person. One of the accounts have over 800 false positive feedback for non payment. 800+!!!!! 1, 5, 10, even 20, OK, it's bad, but there are worse, buy OVER 800?? As far as I know, the member is still buying and not paying on both those accounts. Where are the bots blocking this vermin of a "buyer"?

 

I have quite a number of people on my blocked list who have left several hundred negative feedback for several hundred transactions. The only feedback they leave is bad. They are still buying and still leaving red dots for every transaction. Where are the bots blocking this people who a malicious?

 

Where are the bots that detect a buyer on your blocked list is using a different account to buy from you will the sole purpose of trashing your feedback? That goes on ALL THE TIME. Seller complains and they get into trouble while the buyer rides off into the sunset with a happy grin on their face.

 

Sellers are expected to stick to certain standards and abide by the rules. It should be the same for buyers. 3 strikes and you're out. Instead, buyers get rewarded for breaking the rules and ripping sellers off, while the seller gets permanently blocked from ever selling again. EVER. Even criminals get parole. EBay sellers don't. It's death by hanging. Oh, but you can still buy. Why would you want to?

 

Does eBay even realise that a lot of sellers sell to make money to buy? Screw the sellers over too much and you don't just lose a seller, you also lose a buyer. Funny how those sellers are never looked after when they buy. 

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Here's to you tippy,one of the best posts you've posted 

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Thanks Eezi. I was worried I got a bit carried away, but I'm not sorry. Someone had to say it. Just a shame Michelle probably won't read it.

 

While we're discussing selling, while it has nothing to do with seller standards, it still drives me NUTS. I have opted to get ebay spam because I like being notified of vouchers and other promotions. However, I am becoming increasingly angry at the excessive spam of "this item is no longer available", when it's MY OWN ITEM. The thing is, it IS still available because I just relisted the flamin thing. Why are we being spammed by our own items? It's infuriating enough getting spam asking if you are still interested in an item you clicked on (the answer is NO, otherwise i would have bought it), but to get spam about your own items is bordering on insane. STOP IT NOW!

 

I now only look at items others want looked at on this account because I don't even know if the email address for this account is still active. I never check it, so it can get spammed as much as you like. Otherwise my selling accounts kept getting spammed by items we'd looked at on here that someone asked us to look at. 

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Don't be too sure that Michelle will not see your post Tippy.....which by the way is EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Michelle has popped up a few times on the boards with answers to questions, although I don't think she has contributed anything more than the regulars have already posted.   At least she is more visible than ebay staff have been in the past.

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I hope she hangs around. It might give people a bit more confidence that something can be fixed. Even if it's just lip service, it's still nice to have the presence. If she is a seller herself, she might be more sympathetic to some of the issues we have. 

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I wonder what her selling ID is?   Aren't ebay staff supposed to indicate that they are staff  even on selling accounts?

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

 

In reply to eezi's message:

"eBay has detection methods to identify and block buyers who consistently break buying policies, don't pay for items or show a pattern of leaving unwarranted negative Feedback."

 

Sorry Michelle, but that is the funniest thing I think I've ever read on the forums. I laughed so hard even though it is VERY unfunny. There are 2 members on my follow list on this account who are owned by the same person. One of the accounts have over 800 false positive feedback for non payment. 800+!!!!! 1, 5, 10, even 20, OK, it's bad, but there are worse, buy OVER 800?? As far as I know, the member is still buying and not paying on both those accounts. Where are the bots blocking this vermin of a "buyer"?

 

I have quite a number of people on my blocked list who have left several hundred negative feedback for several hundred transactions. The only feedback they leave is bad. They are still buying and still leaving red dots for every transaction. Where are the bots blocking this people who a malicious?

 

Where are the bots that detect a buyer on your blocked list is using a different account to buy from you will the sole purpose of trashing your feedback? That goes on ALL THE TIME. Seller complains and they get into trouble while the buyer rides off into the sunset with a happy grin on their face.

 

Sellers are expected to stick to certain standards and abide by the rules. It should be the same for buyers. 3 strikes and you're out. Instead, buyers get rewarded for breaking the rules and ripping sellers off, while the seller gets permanently blocked from ever selling again. EVER. Even criminals get parole. EBay sellers don't. It's death by hanging. Oh, but you can still buy. Why would you want to?

 


Just to add to this, I've seen some bidders who have 1000+ bid retractions so I wouldn't be surprised if the "Unpaid Item Strike" system is also just for show and has no actual effect on a bidder (outside of sellers that have their bidder requirements set up).

 

If a seller's selling history (negative and positive) is all on public display, why not also make public a bidder's Unpaid Item Strikes? A buyer cannot receive negative feedback (due to "retaliation") okay, but Unpaid Item Strikes are all on them.

 

If eBay's goal is to make the system "fairer", then allow sellers to judge a buyer's transaction history (warts and all) the same way buyers judge sellers.

 

If eBay's goal is to make the system "fairer", then there must be real world consequences for accumulating 100+ Unpaid Item Strikes and 1000+ bid retractions. The same way sellers suffer consequences for merely looking at a buyer the wrong way.

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It is no secret that the Unpaid Item Strike is only useful for sellers that have their buyer requirements blocks in place.

If the strikes were on public show for all to see the buyers would just start a new ID so their strikes could not be seen and sellers could not block them.

 

Sellers don't have the time or opportunity look at a buyer's record if they bid right at the end of an auction or use the BIN button.

At least this way the buyers are blocked automatically and can not bid or buy.

 

I must admit that there are some actions taken (or not taken) by ebay that smacks of inequality.   Sellers can be wiped out for accumulating a few defects but buyers can accumulate hundreds of "defects" in the form of strikes and bid retractions with no consequence.

But on the other hand I have seen at least 2 instances that have been reported on the boards of sellers who have suffered some misfortune and ebay ignores all reports.   There have been a couple of really good selling accounts which have suddenly started racking up negatives like you would not believe.  The boardies asked ebay to investigate but were ignored.   This situation went on for days/weeks....some buyers were buying simply to leave negatives....and ebay just sat on their hands.  In one case we were able to get the local police to take action and the account was finally closed (I think the seller had passed away in this case) but ebay's lack of care was mind boggling despite the overwhelming evidence that it was so out of character for the sellers.

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

 

I must admit that there are some actions taken (or not taken) by ebay that smacks of inequality.   Sellers can be wiped out for accumulating a few defects but buyers can accumulate hundreds of "defects" in the form of strikes and bid retractions with no consequence.


I think we can all agree that both the buyers and sellers we want eBay to look at, end up getting ignored.

 

In this thread, we've already established the existence of buyers who have thousands of bid retractions, who has probably hundreds of Unpaid  Item Strikes, who receives many false positive feedbacks from sellers (denoting lack of payment), and who has a history of giving tons of negative feedback to sellers.

 

And in past threads, we've established the seller side: the lying of item locations by Chinese sellers, the misrepresentation/abuse of multiple quantity listings (for example, putting a $1 phone case in the same listing as a $500 phone, another blatant abuse is having an item called [OUT OF STOCK] valued at $1), and sellers who persist in selling bootleg/pirated music CDs.

 

If we can only pair up the policy-violating bad buyers and policy-violating bad sellers.

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

It is no secret that the Unpaid Item Strike is only useful for sellers that have their buyer requirements blocks in place.

If the strikes were on public show for all to see the buyers would just start a new ID so their strikes could not be seen and sellers could not block them.

 

Sellers don't have the time or opportunity look at a buyer's record if they bid right at the end of an auction or use the BIN button.

At least this way the buyers are blocked automatically and can not bid or buy.

 

I must admit that there are some actions taken (or not taken) by ebay that smacks of inequality.   Sellers can be wiped out for accumulating a few defects but buyers can accumulate hundreds of "defects" in the form of strikes and bid retractions with no consequence.

But on the other hand I have seen at least 2 instances that have been reported on the boards of sellers who have suffered some misfortune and ebay ignores all reports.   There have been a couple of really good selling accounts which have suddenly started racking up negatives like you would not believe.  The boardies asked ebay to investigate but were ignored.   This situation went on for days/weeks....some buyers were buying simply to leave negatives....and ebay just sat on their hands.  In one case we were able to get the local police to take action and the account was finally closed (I think the seller had passed away in this case) but ebay's lack of care was mind boggling despite the overwhelming evidence that it was so out of character for the sellers.


It's not much use for that either.  I've had a few show in my blocked buyer list for too many unpaid strikes and a few hours later the same item sells to a brand new buyer.  Coincidence?  I don't think so!!

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