Item-specific Listing Removed Sick Of It???

[pandorasbox*2013]

Ebay has a specific category for Golliwogs under Dolls. There are over 30 listed. Mine was removed as it was reported and removed under the Hateful & Racist policy. Why would they have a specific category for an item if they are only going to remove it because obviously someone who has issues is offended.!!

[digital*ghost]

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@harley_babes_hoard wrote:

this reply wasn't for you in particular Stawka sorry.

for goodness sake should we remove any memorabilia to do with wars, I'm sure some people somewhere find them offensive too.it the same darn thing it's our history move on.

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I'm truly sorry you can't see the difference. 

[agoraagogo]

dg i do get and respect what you are saying.  i'm just trying to put some perspective on racism in general.

there are so many minority groups being slaughtered by majority groups in this world that moderate racial tensions like this seem like a first world problem by comparison.  i'm not saying the discussion and the history is not important however in a country that no longer slaughters it's largest minority group, i think we as a nation have come a long way and we have further to go. i'd rather focus on deaths in custody, health, living and education standards of our indigenous citizens than knitted dolls that my own friends are fine with.

[curraone]

lotsamagsnbags said:

"Books, artwork and music are part of the exemption, however sellers cannot use the term Golliwog/Golly in the listing unless that term is included in the actual title of the media. Please make the necessary revision when you list your item."

books, artwork and music exempt.  thank goodness for clarity and consistency (not)

So how come they deleted my book THE GOLLYWOG PICTURE BOOK?

[digital*ghost]

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@agoraagogo wrote:

dg i do get and respect what you are saying.  i'm just trying to put some perspective on racism in general.

there are so many minority groups being slaughtered by majority groups in this world that moderate racial tensions like this seem like a first world problem by comparison.  i'm not saying the discussion and the history is not important however in a country that no longer slaughters it's largest minority group, i think we as a nation have come a long way and we have further to go. i'd rather focus on deaths in custody, health, living and education standards of our indigenous citizens than knitted dolls that my own friends are fine with.

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The issues are related, though, at least as far as I can see it, not separate and they don't / can't have varying degrees applied to them that can make one act of racism more acceptable than another, just because one of them doesn't result in graver things, or death.

Acts of racism that somehow seem acceptable because they're "not as bad" (like dehumanising caricatures), is what contributes to the idea some have that another act, which results is death, is justified. 

[digital*ghost]

This is the last post I'm going to make on the subject, unless anyone asks me a direct question that requires a response. And all I am going to do is link to a blog article by someone who is in a better postion than I am to respond to the following, common responses when this subject crops up (the writer took issue with another site allowing the sale of these items, and began a petition).

Link

“How are these items (golliwogs) racist?”

“This is political correctness gone MAD!!!!”

“I don’t find these things (golliwog dolls) racist.”

“But I love them! How can they be a symbol of hate?! Oh noooooooes!”

“Well, in the UK/Australia/Canada we don’t view these dolls as racist or offensive.  Lighten up, jeeze!”

“I am black/partially black and I make/own these items and I’m astonished by your petition!”

“I am/know a black person and I/they collect these items as a reminder of how black people were treated.”

This one is my favorite so I saved it for last- “There are bigger, more pressing issues regarding race.  Why don’t you spend your time and energy on a bigger issue?”

I hope there are some people here who are open to having their perspective challenged. I know I am, but so far 'get over it', and 'I liked mine when I was little', isn't doing it for me. Sorry.

[bakeandfry]

Well i got educated, i had no idea how these dolls came about and what they represent.

I do believe these items of history should not dissapere, along with the story behind it ( or any historic item, eg the final solution ect ect)

Without these items around people will forget.(and i dont mean by having them listed on what ever platform a seller chooses)

and on the subject of ebay delisting these items, only ebay can justify the removal of any item because we dont own ebay

[lotsamagsnbags]

Yep.  thanks DG interesting article.  what is the correct term please if coloured is offensive (as mentioned in the linked article), surely calling people african american would be offensive too if you referred to them by the incorrect race.  (eg Aussie :

NZder!)

not that its any good saying this now but Ebay could have made an announcement  before deleting items off categories they had created.  the keywords robot had a field day!

I guess there will be an awful lot of people now keeping their dolls, etc since they will have no luck selling them online, perhaps B&M market.

[wendshees-rocks]

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@lotsamagsnbags wrote:

Yep.  thanks DG interesting article.  what is the correct term please if coloured is offensive (as mentioned in the linked article), surely calling people african american would be offensive too if you referred to them by the incorrect race.  (eg Aussie :

NZder!)

not that its any good saying this now but Ebay could have made an announcement  before deleting items off categories they had created.  the keywords robot had a field day!

I guess there will be an awful lot of people now keeping their dolls, etc since they will have no luck selling them online, perhaps B&M market.

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Black people are called black people. White people are white people. Brown people are called brown people. Asians are Asians. It is not racist to refer to a black person as black, same as it's not racist to call a white person white. It's also not racist to say the word black in front of a black person, yet so many think it is and will find some other word to use (black car becomes dark car).

Terms that drive my black colleagues nuts when referring to their skin colour: dark, coloured, of colour, non-white, tanned. When someone is skirting around using the word black, they will say "do you mean black?". You can see the person nearly choke at the mere mention of the word. They think saying black (in any context) in front of our black colleagues is no different to using the N word.

[agoraagogo]

i hear you dg.

at least we agree that grotesque caricatures totally suck.

thank you for your valuable perspective and contribution to this thread.

[thecatspjs]

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@black*poppy wrote:

I totally agree DG.

I haven't seen the removal of all black dolls in toy stores.  I'm sure that even recently I saw newborn replica dolls in black and white versions, etc.  I'll have to check again.

BUT these types of dolls aren't racist - in fact it could be argued that it's racism by exclusion to not have them, like people of colour other than white don't exist, or aren't valued enough to have their own doll versions. Ethically, the market should reflect that our community is made up of all types of people.

But golliwogs have very strong negative connontations from the past - minstrel shows, black face etc and if ebay decides this is not part of their ethos then fair enough for them.  Ebay is not a democracy after all.

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Ditto. 

Bravo eBay !! 

I have no issues with eBay removing without notice, demonstrates the same attention to thoughtfullness that those that listing have shown to others that might take issue - which is zero.