@donnashuggy wrote:Feedback is not an issue for satisfied buyers. That is my point
Donna ... you've lost me on this one too .... ??
I'm referring to the buyers previous transactions leading up to the one with the problem.
All these problems can be eliminated by leaving feedback on payment.
Yeah, I am confusing myself. I spent 6 years leaving feedback after the buyer and the last 6 leaving it on payment.
I spent 6 years barely filing disputes to the last 6 years automating them.
You just have to be adaptable to sell on eBay lol
@donnashuggy wrote:I'm referring to the buyers previous transactions leading up to the one with the problem.
All these problems can be eliminated by leaving feedback on payment.
But as I said, that is in direct contradiction to the comment re: timing of feedback being irrelevant for very good sellers, because you're saying quite specifically that "all of these problems can be eliminated" via timing of feedback (I still, respectfully disagree, particularly since not even the very best of sellers can change the experience a buyer had with a different seller, and alter a buyer's attitude re: feedback ettiquette. (And that is often how it is viewed, as an obligatory courtesy, which is somewhat removed from satisfaction with transactions, though still related).
Several years ago, I had a friend who would visit me, and each time she left, I would stand up and see her to the door. She probably never really thought about me doing that at all.
This one time, however, I didn't do that because I was sitting on the couch with something on my lap. Not only did it not go unnoticed, but she was offended I didn't extend the courtesy I always had previously - offended enough to say something about it.
That particular problem could have been eliminated by never standing up and seeing her to the door. 
I'm not sure we are on the same page, You are being simplistic in assuming that all buyers who get nasty about feedback timing do so on every occasion.
I am saying that these vengeful buyers become irrelevant to a seller who leaves feedback on payment.
I don't alter their mindset, myself and the buyer are just never on each other's radar.
This is not why I leave feedback on payment, it is simply a bonus of the practice, one of many.
@donnashuggy wrote:I'm not sure we are on the same page, You are being simplistic in assuming that all buyers who get nasty about feedback timing do so on every occasion.
I am saying that these vengeful buyers become irrelevant to a seller who leaves feedback on payment.
I don't alter their mindset, myself and the buyer are just never on each other's radar.
This is not why I leave feedback on payment, it is simply a bonus of the practice, one of many.
No, we're not on the same page, because you're dead wrong about what I'm "assuming".
You did not initially say that vengeful buyers are irrelevant to sellers who leave FB on payment, you said that the timing of feedback is irrelevant to very good sellers. Saying that vengeful buyers become irrelevant to sellers who leave feedback on payment means that the timing of feedback is not irrelevant to sellers, thus contradicting your initial comment. Unless you meant to suggest that only very good sellers leave feedback on payment, and that it becomes irrelevant because then no one has to think about this as an issue.
Besides which, I'm not talking about nasty or vengeful buyers at all, or people who do something like leave bad feedback or low DSRs, or find something else to be unhappy about, because FB wasn't left on payment. I din't even mention those things, save for an earlier comment mentioning that the people who do do something adverse because they didn't get feedback on payment, or before they left it, wouldn't affect most sellers in the grand scheme of things (because they are relatively few and far between).
I am talking about a basic, overarching belief and expectation many buyers have over what should happen and when, and that feedback timing is a matter of courtesy for them. There are a lot of threads started here from buyers who feel so strongly about this that they're "sick of sellers" who don't leave feedback first, many of them have no other issues, no negs / neuts left etc, and they are otherwise happy eBayers, and a lot of other buyers, who don't feel strongly enough to create a thread, or even consider doing anything but notice when a seller doesn't leave them feedback first, chime in with how they feel about it. Which means there are a lot of people paying attention to feedback timing, whether the seller is any the wiser about how it's affecting the perception of the transaction or not, so I contested your statement that feedback is irrelevant for very good sellers, because of this (and because - if you did mean it that way - I would contest the notion that very good sellers leave FB first).
For full disclosure, 99% of the time I leave FB on payment, on some occasions the buyer has been problematic prior to payment, in which case I often choose to leave them no feedback because I can't say anything nice. And every so often it takles me a day or two for certain speacial buyers (regular customers), because I'm trying to think of something unique to say, and I'm not very good at doing that, particularly with the succinctness 80 characters requires.
