eBay accepted third party authentication for handbags?

[kittys_boutique]

I keep getting bags rejected by eBay authentication over authenticity concerns, despite knowing the bag's originator personally and/or certifying it with certain authenticators, that eBay doesn't care about.  Then, I'm slapped with several day bans on selling, now extending to 10 days each time.  I can't go on like this.  Is there any third party authentication service for handbags that eBay will take as authoritative enough to dispute their own 'findings'?

Is eBay authentication for handbags even real?

[sandypebbles]

You posting abusive rants on replies you don't like says far more about you and the type of person you are than anything else 

You did'nt hear what you wanted to hear, so as always your only comeback is to hurl nasty comments 

[*sons_n_daughters*]

You got busted selling fakes. You need to accept that. All the rants in the world won't change that fact.

[domino-710]

Big fail Sandy - you only typed it once. lol

[sugar249]

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@*sons_n_daughters* wrote:

You got busted selling fakes. You need to accept that. All the rants in the world won't change that fact.

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But, But they say they aren't fakes because they are sourced in Australia.   I see they still have heaps of their stuff listed,  hopefully Ebay keeps rejecting them.  

But I guess they are hoping that the only authentication required is that they are Australian sourced,  and who cares if they are fakes sourced in Australia

[imastawka]

Post by the OP 3rd September 10.30am - ......I don't know 100% that they are authentic,......

Says it all really

[sugar249]

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@imastawka wrote:

Post by the OP 3rd September 10.30am - ......I don't know 100% that they are authentic,......

Says it all really

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It does,

But Ebay must be wrong because their supplier says its ok.  I'm confused.

For OP,  no I am not on Ebay's payroll,   but I would love the job of dealing with this sort of thing,  would be a fun job.

[springyzone · Accepted solution]

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@kittys_boutique wrote:

I keep getting bags rejected by eBay authentication over authenticity concerns,   Is there any third party authentication service for handbags that eBay will take as authoritative enough to dispute their own 'findings'?

Is eBay authentication for handbags even real?

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You are overlooking the main aspect of this. Ebay has put its name to the authentication program.

It is giving its customers a guarantee that the bag they pay big bucks for is authentic.

In fact, it even issues the bag with an authentication certificate.

Ebay has obviously introduced this because before this, they must have had numerous disputes about authenticity. And when you're looking at goods that could cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars, there is a lot at stake for both buyer and seller.

The buyer because they may get a fake and the seller because they could get someone opening a claim but sending back a fake & not what they were sold.

So ebay has a big stake in this. They are not going to want to hand it over to some company that is not affiliated with them. Especially if their own experts are saying the item is not genuine.

Speaking from the point of view of a customer, if you, the seller, had an authenticity program that said a bag was genuine but then ebay disputed this, I would be alarmed, I wouldn't want to go through with the purchase anyway.

I understand that sometimes ebay may get it wrong. There's a margin of error in all human enterprises.

But I don't think you're ever going to persuade them to accept the judgement of an outside company to over rule their own experts. And if a lot of your bags are failing the ebay test and not just the occasional one, you probably need to go back to your original sources and question if you yourself have been ripped off.

[kittys_boutique]

1. That was in reply to imastawka asking about items drop shipped from Hong Kong.  Does not apply to items posted in Australia.

2. imastawka, I didn't know that maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism about my suppliers can be taken as proof that I'm selling fakes.

3. "The major point is about finding a better authenticator which I believe we can all agree is a good thing."--posted on page 1.  I should add that this means that I'm looking for someone to  authenticate my bags more importantly than disputing eBay's findings.  Everybody decides to roll over this to throw abuses at me.  The animosity in this thread makes me feel like sourcing only known fake bags from now on and listing them all in Italy so nobody doubts them and eBay doesn't check them. 

I mean, if I were out to scam people, why bother to list them through any channels requiring authentication in the first place when this can easily be circumvented?  Why even bother to list the rest as coming from Hong Kong when that gets an auto black mark from you?

I'm so sick and tired of this thread.

[kittys_boutique]

https://www.vestiairecollective.com/members/profile-20698584.shtml

For reference, everything sold overseas on Vestiaire is checked by their expert authenticators in person and an Expert seller must have sold in volume over the past six months without a single item ever having been rejected on authentication concerns.  The volume in our case was 40 items there in six months.  It is the same stock as our eBay catalog.  So what accounts for this discrepancy?  I'm throwing up my hands in despair.  Of course, I don't expect any help from you lot.

[springyzone · Accepted solution]

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@kittys_boutique wrote:

https://www.vestiairecollective.com/members/profile-20698584.shtml

For reference, everything sold overseas on Vestiaire is checked by their expert authenticators in person and an Expert seller must have sold in volume over the past six months without a single item ever having been rejected on authentication concerns.  The volume in our case was 40 items there in six months.  It is the same stock as our eBay catalog.  So what accounts for this discrepancy?  I'm throwing up my hands in despair.  Of course, I don't expect any help from you lot.

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I don't know that we can account for the discrepancy.

I don't believe you are trying to pass off fakes, I can understand you'd be astounded if you have a lot of stock that has passed expert authenticators at Vestiaire without a problem then all of a sudden it is being rejected by the ebay authenticators. I believe that you believe the items to be genuine.

Is it definitely the same stock, delivered in the same batch?

People here are not racists. It isn't racist (in my mind) to say that certain countries such as China are more inclined to manufacture a lot of 'fake' products. From what I can gather, it is not illegal there. I was in China in 2018 and our guide, who was Chinese, even warned us about it. Just as it isn't racist to say certain races or groups have a higher percentage of this or that. For instance, (to use an example that doesn't cause upset) I think the highest % of redheads are in Scotland or of Scottish heritage. That's not racist to say that, it is just a fact. It becomes racist only if you reject someone or something only on the basis of race.

People here aren't doubting the bags because they dislike the Chinese, but because the odds of getting a fake item from China or Hong Kong is higher. We can't go around pretending all areas, all countries and all companies are equal because they are not.

It doesn't mean all bags coming out of HK are necessarily fakes but it probably would put a lot of people on the alert, if that makes sense.

If I were you, knowing that your bags are having trouble with Australian ebay authenticators, I'd be inclined to do what you mentioned and maybe market them somewhere other than Australia or even on another site other than ebay, where you can use the Vestiaire authenticators.

I just don't think that anyone here is going to be able to give you any advice on how to overcome the ebay system & as far as I know, ebay itself doesn't listen much to suggestions, so you're probably just banging your head against a brick wall there.

It may change in time, it depends on who is working there at the ebay authentication centre. Is it possible to ask for details as to why any particular bag failed the test? I've not got high hopes you'll get anywhere, getting a straight answer from ebay is like pulling teeth.