let me explain some parts of the law

[joethenuts]

a lot of posters keep thinking that if its written in the law ,thats it.  well wrong ,ask any solicitor.

if that was the case we would not need any courts.

a law is written for instance law 1.   then there is only if  a  or   f   or section  bla , does not ocur.

lets talk about photos in a post office, once you hand over your letters and as soon as the postman stamps them ,they are deemed to be the property of the federal gov. once you touch or take a photo ,then theres privacy laws.  its simple its not yours anymore.

we also have posters complaining about paypal taking money out of your account when there is a problem.

read your contract with them , you agreed to there policy  ,if you dont agree dont sign up or take the contract to a solicitor. 

just because something is said in the law , companies have agreements with them  .  like the bank on charge backs  the law states a bank cant take money out of another banks client.  but the banks have an agreement that allows that.  and we all know that happens.

look at the law about porn movies , i still have had nobody answere that.  its simple the law states porn movies can only be sold in canberra.    have a look around  most suburbs have an adult shop.   i would say there is an agreement with the law.  these shops are not hidden , some are the size of small supermarkets.

in fact a couple of months ago i won an auction on ebay for some new steel paint tins and lids , when she gave me the pick up details  it was to an adult bookstore , i then looked at the  item number  in case i bid on the wrong line, but all correct. anyway i drive to the loading bay ,she opened up the roller door and my eyes nearly popped out , as i was loading the boxes , i did not ask why they had new empty paint tins , but i did ask why the girl on the corner wearing  just underwear was smiling at me ,she said thats a blow up doll , yes but whats her name.     lol

[cmcoins2000]

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@joethenuts wrote:

anyway a very interesting topic  . what have we learned [nothing] lol

we have posters saying once its lodged it belongs to aus post

we have posters saying it allways belongs to the buyer

we have posters saying it still belongs to the sender until its delivered

we have posters saying it belongs to the sender 

at the end of the day we all loose.lol

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But - you are the one who totally 'explained' - some parts of the law.

Thank you for that NUTS.

[lyndal1838]

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@joethenuts wrote:

thats your opinion thats fine, and personly you know more about the postoffice ways than most , so do you know the answere thanks. ,but who owns it after it has being lodged.

what i will do is write to aus post head office next week and ask with a reply in writing ,   no problems

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Well I hope you will post the answer here Joe.....I am sure someone will eventually answer you once they pick themselves up off the floor and stop laughing.

I also doubt that the PO will get involved in the question of ownership of items sent through the mail other than to confirm that they do not own them in any way shape or form.

[bakeandfry]

I think if an item has been lodged it has been paid for, got a stamp on it canceling stamps, ready for actual postage, but technicaly i can cancel it (acording to ebay, thats if its an ebay transaction we are talking about) because i have not marked as posted, same as paying for an item and seller not posting the item, i cant force the seller to post it, they have the item, it theres, but as for my money its up to me to dispute it to get money back if i dont get refunded.

[imastawka]

If I've paid for it     -      IT'S MINE!!!!!!!

If I bought and paid for something at a B & M store, but I wanted it

delivered - IT'S MINE!!!!!

Same thing

[5kazam]

Once a buyer pays for their item, they are the owner of said item.

The seller becomes the buyers’ agent, who has the responsibility to facilitate the delivery.

The seller/agent takes the item to Aust. Post.  Once the seller/agent has paid over the buyers’ money to Aust. Post, then the responsibility to facilitate delivery has been transferred to Aust. Post.  At no time has title, ownership been transferred, only the responsibility to deliver the item.

And until the buyers’ money has been handed over, the item is NOT ‘under the control of’ (Rule 101) nor is it being ‘carried’ (Rule 101) by Aust. Post.  Plus Rule 101 quite clearly states ‘it is for the purpose of any legal proceeding etc’.

Most of us know that the Aust. Post computer system works on weigh/measure, print off tracking label, then tell customer how much postage is.  It is at that point when payment is required to be made.  So if a seller/agent wants to take a photo of said item before payment, they should be free to do so, as Aust. Post has not at that stage taken responsibility for the item.

[joethenuts]

thank you 5kazam ,  taking a photo before payment  is correct,  but they are taking photos after not just paid but after its being lodged

[joethenuts]

all i have been saying  is the same once lodgement its not yours to touch take a photo burn it ,its now aus post resposibility ,

[5kazam]

Joe, I think you will find that those who are taking photos are doing so before payment.  Stamps/stickers may be attached, but lodgement has most likely not been competed.

[5kazam]

I'm pleased to see you are now using the word responsibility.

[lyndal1838]

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@joethenuts wrote:

all i have been saying  is the same once lodgement its not yours to touch take a photo burn it ,its now aus post resposibility ,

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That is exactly right Joe.....once lodged the parcel is the RESPONSIBILITY of Australia Post....they do not own it.