let me explain some parts of the law

[joethenuts]

a lot of posters keep thinking that if its written in the law ,thats it.  well wrong ,ask any solicitor.

if that was the case we would not need any courts.

a law is written for instance law 1.   then there is only if  a  or   f   or section  bla , does not ocur.

lets talk about photos in a post office, once you hand over your letters and as soon as the postman stamps them ,they are deemed to be the property of the federal gov. once you touch or take a photo ,then theres privacy laws.  its simple its not yours anymore.

we also have posters complaining about paypal taking money out of your account when there is a problem.

read your contract with them , you agreed to there policy  ,if you dont agree dont sign up or take the contract to a solicitor. 

just because something is said in the law , companies have agreements with them  .  like the bank on charge backs  the law states a bank cant take money out of another banks client.  but the banks have an agreement that allows that.  and we all know that happens.

look at the law about porn movies , i still have had nobody answere that.  its simple the law states porn movies can only be sold in canberra.    have a look around  most suburbs have an adult shop.   i would say there is an agreement with the law.  these shops are not hidden , some are the size of small supermarkets.

in fact a couple of months ago i won an auction on ebay for some new steel paint tins and lids , when she gave me the pick up details  it was to an adult bookstore , i then looked at the  item number  in case i bid on the wrong line, but all correct. anyway i drive to the loading bay ,she opened up the roller door and my eyes nearly popped out , as i was loading the boxes , i did not ask why they had new empty paint tins , but i did ask why the girl on the corner wearing  just underwear was smiling at me ,she said thats a blow up doll , yes but whats her name.     lol

[joethenuts]

yes i do now believe in him just like most posters did when he posted , but i waited until i read enough law books to decide , maybe if you try and read some  you also might change your mind,   

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@joethenuts wrote:

yes i do now believe in him just like most posters did when he posted , but i waited until i read enough law books to decide , maybe if you try and read some  you also might change your mind,   

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if you let me know what law books I will try to get the same ones and read them.  You can put photos of the covers in a post on this thread.

Alternatively, if you have finished reading them you could list them on eBay and I will buy them!

[joethenuts]

i went to libaries   i am sure you have them were you live go thru a quiet a few of them , i did and it changed me.       as you all can see i did at no stage 6 months ago agree with anything he said, now look at me ,[i can see the light]

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@joethenuts wrote:

for  a start  ebay only excepts tracking and signature     read there policy that you signed.

why not just send a photocopy of your item to the buyer, lol  you2 should have a comedy act between you , maybe those rose seeds are doing crazy things

also if i ever need a cut and paster  i would def consider you   we pay top dollar here in the paint business

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its been done on eBay before.  A seller put up a listing and had an ambiguous listing description and sent photos of phones claiming that the listing was for photos and not actual phones.  Judge Judy took her to pieces.

Here's the Judge Judy short video version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3UKeDZqv8

And the full case on Judge Judy here:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f09_1316886868

[joethenuts]

you  dont you understand sarcasm,   ala you might as well take a photo of anything.

you sound like my friendly baker , and if i said to him with a balaclava over my head , give me all you doh , thats what he would do ,go to the back and would say plain or wholemeal.   

by the way i did see that episode, it was good. scammers will do anything lol

[digital*ghost]

As far as I know, Australia does not currently have any laws or consumer protections created specifically and/or exclusively for online or distance selling, particularly where items are always delivered by a third party. 

TB's posts, as I understand them, are interpretations of pre-existing laws, which have been applied in a certain way to the unique circumstances of online trading involving postage etc. 

Or, in other words, he is a lawyer (or not, if you don't believe 😄 ) arguing a point using laws that were in effect before online trading, because that's all we currently have to go on, but whether another lawyer could argue a different point of the law and/or 'win' the day in court, is anyone's guess. 

[joethenuts]

as i said and my checking quiet a few law books  , these are not my words , so if you dont believe him thats your call , dont refer to me

strange when someone elase cut and posts his post , i am wrong  but when he posts he right.

too many people hide in a closet .   remember all follow the rules that you signed for and things will run easier, no good crying over spilt milk , we all make mistakes in fact i just made one sold a 4 litre dulux on auction ,buyer just picked it up and it was a 10 litre ,my mistake wrote 4 instead of 10 on listing , all i can do is say congrats sir , my mistake around $100  oh well i will just keep smiling as always. 

[digital*ghost]

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@joethenuts wrote:

as i said and my checking quiet a few law books  , these are not my words , so if you dont believe him thats your call , dont refer to me

strange when someone elase cut and posts his post , i am wrong  but when he posts he right.

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*sigh*

I knew exactly whose words they are as soon as I saw them - I've been around long enough and have a pretty good memory for these things ya know, and I replied to your post because it was the last one in the thread, but I didn't quote you or reply to anything you said specifically, because I was making a general comment regarding how I personally take TBs posts, which have been the subject of discussion the last couple of pages.

I haven't said any one is right or wrong. I've just ponted out that TB's posts tend to make an argument based on current laws, but they are interpretations of those laws, and it's not unusual for the same laws to be interpreted and applied in different ways. 

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@joethenuts wrote:

as i said and my checking quiet a few law books  , these are not my words , so if you dont believe him thats your call , dont refer to me

strange when someone elase cut and posts his post , i am wrong  but when he posts he right.

too many people hide in a closet .   remember all follow the rules that you signed for and things will run easier, no good crying over spilt milk , we all make mistakes in fact i just made one sold a 4 litre dulux on auction ,buyer just picked it up and it was a 10 litre ,my mistake wrote 4 instead of 10 on listing , all i can do is say congrats sir , my mistake around $100  oh well i will just keep smiling as always. 

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congratulations on finding the information in law books at the library.  As DG pointed out, the law is struggling to keep up with an ever changing online retail environment (my summary of DG's post).

So that got me wondering, and ultimately asking myself the following questions:

-   how current are law books in public libraries?

-   has the internet been a godsend to publications of material that can quickly get out of date?

-   is the internet a better source for up to date information IF the websites cited are reputable and credible?

-   how much truth can be placed in public forums where anybody can post any information no matter whether it is true or false and posters often disagree with eachother i.e. how do you know who to believe on a public forum.

This last question is why I even posted on this thread.  I wanted to be able to determine who is posting credible material here . . . . . and asking where they got their information is part of that.  It also got me looking up things that had previously not interested me greatly.

[imastawka]

  I see what you did there....lol