on 14-07-2012 09:13 AM
Hi, I have just received a Paypal 'Temporary Hold Pending Investigation' on another ID. I rarely get these and am not sure what to do. The item was a character t shirt sent to USA, just regular mail ($22 shirt + postage all up). Buyer has left positive feedback about 1.5 weeks after I sent it.
Today I have received a Paypal email as buyer has said her credit card use was unauthorised. I checked her feedback and she has bought similar items from a UK seller just days prior, so I just emailed that seller. That seller has also received positive feedback, and has said she has had a dispute opened today too, but is yet to get back to me on the details of if it is the same buyer...
Where do we stand if the same thing has happened to both of us, and why the positive feedback left if it is someone using unauthorised credit card? Obviously they have the buyer's Paypal AND ebay details then???
Thanks so much
on 16-07-2012 07:14 AM
I love hyperlinks
http://www.riskpayments.com/knowledge-base/articles/fighting-friendly-fraud-chargebacks/
Shipping Physical Product
Physical product should only be shipped to the billing address of the credit card.
Use a delivery service or courier that requires signature on delivery and provides order tracking and delivery confirmation.
Always require the signature of the cardholder only upon delivery.
Getting the cardholder’s signature on delivery at the billing address of the credit card can reduce the cardholder’s ability to dispute on a claim of an unauthorized transaction.
So one piece of evidence that can reduce the cardholders ability to dispute on an unauthorized use claim is if the item was delivered to the cardholder at the cardholders billing address.......................
How important then is delivery to a specific person at a specific address in an unauthorized use chargeback claim in some circumstances???
on 16-07-2012 07:34 AM
copy and paste
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/19/6345525-friendly-fraud-a-hassle-for-you-too?lite
When a consumer claims fraud, a process known as a "chargeback" begins.
Until recently, banks were eager to honor such requests, and often bragged that identity theft incidents were hassle-free for consumers.
But an increase in friendly fraud has forced banks and merchants to take a closer look at fraud claims, in some cases asking consumers to sign affidavits and have them notarized, before issuing credits.
Even after providing such evidence, merchants and consumers are still subject to a quasi-adjudication process called "re-presentment," with the consumers' bank as the ultimate arbiter.
If the bank sides with the merchants, the consumer is forced to pay -- something that's become much more common lately, says fraud expert Julie Fergerson, who works for Ethoca.com, a fraud-prevention company.business development for RMS, said merchants have gotten wise about gathering more evidence in anticipation of fraud claims. One key piece of evidence: Those signed delivery slips from UPS or FedEx.
"The thing that is interesting is that banks are getting much tougher on the consumers and e-commerce merchants are starting to win some of the time, when the consumer says 'I didn't do it,' said Fergerson, longtime executive at the Merchant Risk Council, an industry association designed to fight fraud.
"It used to be an automatic, merchant loses every time. Now it is much harder for the consumer."
That is evidenced by the "win" rates for merchants in the arbitrations, which are rising quickly, according to an annual Merchant Risk Council survey. It found that consumers lose the argument 44 percent of the time now, up from 30 percent three years ago.
Fighting fraud with Facebook
Part of the reason: Many merchants now outsource the re-presentment to a company named RMS - Receivable Management Services. Darrel Hewson, vice president
"We do look for delivery receipts and other validating data points," Hewson said. "We're always asking how to make sure we have data that can support the client's case."
You might be surprised how far the company will go: Hewson said there is now abundant friendly fraud in the travel industry, and one of his company's favorite evidence-gathering tools is Facebook.com.
"You might have Daryl take a trip and then initiate a chargeback and say, 'That wasn't me.'
But then he posts on Facebook about what a great time he had.
We look for that information, and if we find it we'll use it. … (think feedback here for ebay sales)
Criminals aren't always very smart."
anyways carry on regardless I am pretty sure that if the figure involved for the chargeback was $220 or $2200 then the advice here from others would have differed.
I opine that I would rather bone up on the chargeback process defending/trying to defend a $22.00 claim and adjusting my verification protocols/shipping process based on the outcome of that case instead of not contesting any of the cheapies and waiting for the big kahuna claim and then heading on in blind with no chargeback experience at all........
on 16-07-2012 10:17 AM
on 17-07-2012 09:31 PM
Wow! That is a lot of helpful feedback and advice, thank you all. I have emailed ebay, responded to paypal and also rang paypal yesterday.
ebay's advice was this:
"Thanks for contacting eBay.I personally think it is a bit strange for a satisfied buyer who has received the item to go for a Paypal unauthorized credit card claim.
What I can do is to explain further what a Paypal Hold is.
Payment Holds for eBay items is a joint feature in which eBay notifies PayPal of possible high risk listings when a PayPal transaction is completed for the listing.
PayPal may release the Payment Hold when one of the criteria is met:
- The buyer leaves positive feedback after receiving the item."
When I rang Paypal yesterday I quoted what ebay had emailed to me and asked if it was true, and the Paypal guy on the line said he would make a note in the file that the buyer had left positive feedback. He wouldn't say one way or the other if the positive feedback would make a difference to my case, just that he would make a note.
on 17-07-2012 09:33 PM
Also, I forgot to mention, I have had no contact from the buyer at all.
on 17-07-2012 09:48 PM
Thanks to colic2bullsgirlore, I did not know you could check USPS website. I entered the CN22 number and yes, it was delivered to the address of the buyer that matches with her ebay address. Have just forwarded that info onto Paypal too. Thanks very much
on 18-07-2012 06:14 AM
Benny niccolo, If you go into you paypal account and open the transaction summary for the disputed payment you will see at the top the buyers name and the paypal seller protection address that you should send the item to.
see the other information as you scroll down the page.
Half way down the buyers name will be given again..... this name MAY be different than the buyers name at the top of the page.
If it is then your payment came from a credit or debit card owned by that person but it is linked to the buyers credit card account......
See my post above re my wife using my credit card on her paypal account (DG seemed to think I was talking about info I can see as a buyer however I was talking about what info a seller can see if they read all the paypal transaction summary)
If the buyers name at the top and the one listed in the centre varies then it is invariably harder to prove that the use was indeeed an authorized use as the card owners name is not on any documentation conversely if they are the same then it is a little easier.
If you request the ebay user contact details of your buyer an
d those ID details concur with the paypal account and the chargeback ID details then you are a little better off. I would supply those as well to paypal mimpressing the correlation while also impressing that the ebay account had not been flagged by the user as being hijacked
Make sure you keep copies of everything you send to paypal.
If a lot of sellers experience a chargeback at the same time from a single buyer and + feedback has been left then it is more likely that the numpty buyer maxxed their card but just kept on buying... if that is the case then you will be hard pressed recovering given that the buyer is from overseas and any civil action would be extremely costly......
good luck
on 19-07-2012 01:44 AM
Obviously they have the buyer's Paypal AND ebay details then???
Huh? What's that got to do with anything? If you used my card to buy something on eBay, then I would dispute it because you used my card without permission. I couldn't care less whether you received the delivery or not, I'd still do a chargeback.
There is no link between the cardholder's address and the eBay delivery address. The buyer can add any delivery address that they like in the eBay checkout.
OK - I will explain ONE scenario. A teenager signs in using mum's Ebay ID and orders a shirt to be delivered to his girlfriend. The girlfriend receives the shirt, so son leaves feedback. Then mum finds the charge on their credit card and disputes it with the bank.
on 19-07-2012 02:03 AM
Oh - another scenario. If you use Paypal as a guest, then you don't even have to have the card registered with Paypal. So you could find a card lying on the footpath and use it to pay for your eBay purchases.