question re Shill bidding

[izabsmiling]

I know that it's a no no as far as ebay goes .

Is it or isn't it also illegal  ?

[go-tazz]

Got the reply: However, in this case, we don't see enough evidence to confirm that a violation has taken place.

I can't believe that  nothing is done about an obvious shiller.

I wonder whether they check the eyesight of their employees,:O

IMHO they can't see a problem with it as they get their fees from either the buyer or the shilll bidding account,(that's provided the seller doesn't get their FVF back when the shiller "wins" half of the time).

So it's a win win situation for them,(why should they care that the price has being artificially raised by the shiller and they get their fees).

[viewmont1071]

Declaring Vendor bidding when a property is on the market has everything to do with licenced auctioneers auctions (house, land and property) and absolutely nothing to do with ebays "auction style format"

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/user-agreement.html

Before using the eBay services, you must read and accept all of the terms in, and linked to, this User Agreement (“Agreement”)

You acknowledge that we are not an auctioneer. Instead, our sites are venues to allow anyone to offer, sell, and buy just about anything, at anytime, from anywhere, in a variety of pricing formats and locations, such as stores, fixed price formats and auction-style formats

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au%2FProperty_agents_and_managers%2FLicensing_and_certification%2FApplying_for_a_licence_or_certificate%2FAuctioneer_accreditation.html&ei=_JsvUdHTPIeciQfEh4HABg&usg=AFQjCNGO5KrWJMSosdFh91SRn_oNknfpvg&sig2=faatX5PWrdeST35-AjQSzg&bvm=bv.43148975,d.dGY

Auctioneer accreditation

Anyone carrying out property or stock auctions needs to hold a specifically accredited real estate and/or stock and station agent’s licence and have the appropriate qualifications.

So ....who has a licence ???.. no licence..no auction...anyways...carry on regardless 😐

[viewmont1071]

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Property_agents_and_managers/Rules_of_conduct/Real_estate_agents/Auction_laws.html

so all of these auction rules below means...diddley squat as far as ebay "auctions" are concerned... and by agreeing to ebays user agreement that ebay is not an auctioneer then you have accepted that fact

Auctioneers

An auctioneer must not accept a bid from a person unless they are registered in the Bidders Record for the auction and have been given a bidder number.

Auctioneers are not liable to the seller or any other person for refusing a bid from an unregistered person.

To protect sellers and buyers, a bid taken from an unregistered person, whether inadvertently or deliberately, is deemed to be valid. However, the auctioneer may be subject to disciplinary action by NSW Fair Trading and a fine of up to $11,000.

It is an offence for an auctioneer to invent bids.

Only one bid may be made on behalf of the seller by the auctioneer.

The seller’s bid by the auctioneer cannot be used unless notice of the right to bid is notified in the conditions of sale, which must be clearly displayed and be available for inspection before the auction commences.

When the seller’s bid is made by the auctioneer, the auctioneer must state that it is a ‘vendor bid’.

A co-owner, executor, administrator or someone bidding on their behalf, may make more than one bid as long as:

this is outlined in the auction conditions the auctioneer has announced this before the start of bidding at the auction the auctioneer announces the bidder registration number of any co-owner, executor, administrator, or someone bidding on their behalf.

[izabsmiling]

I agree with you Go Tas .

Viewmont, I'm still waking up ...I look into what you have said and what it means if I wake up .

This is from the user agreement 

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/user-agreement.html

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