the roll out of ebay managed payments

[lm-entertainment]

i'm sure a lot or most of you probably received the managed payments email this morning. in case you didn't, or missed here - ebay is rolling out managed payments later in the year with pre-registration opening shortly.

more info is located at https://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/managed-payments

[eol-products]

My partners family sold off an uncles coin collection and received nothing. The worst part was the auction house  knew they where insolvent but still accepted items to auction off knowing the buyers would not get paid. It was a large chunk of money to never see.

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@eol-products wrote:

My partners family sold off an uncles coin collection and received nothing. The worst part was the auction house  knew they where insolvent but still accepted items to auction off knowing the buyers would not get paid. It was a large chunk of money to never see.

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When they go broke, it's not uncommon for

- buyers not to get the goods they've paid for, and

- sellers not to get the money paid by the buyers.

[11dustyattic]

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@eol-products wrote:

My partners family sold off an uncles coin collection and received nothing. The worst part was the auction house  knew they where insolvent but still accepted items to auction off knowing the buyers would not get paid. It was a large chunk of money to never see.

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Now that is sad. Unfortunately they are not always the nicest or most honorable people. Dodgy af quite often

[everard6920]

Mine is all going along okay at the moment

@ anyone who is chiding others for signing up - some of us were told we had to, and can't afford to have our businesses not operational.

The only thing that bothers me is that when you give a partial refund, eBay doesn't refund any of the fees. Considering they know exactly what you've refunded and why, because it's all on their very own site now, this is a blatant (yet unsurprising) money grab.

It's whatever, because I will continue refunding buyers-who-don't-request-an-invoice for excess postage minus any fees, as I have specified on all of my listings. To date, I haven't had any complaints, unless we're counting that one person who sent me a lengthy message directing me to refund them their full $3.30, instead of the $3.00 that they were entitled to per the listing's specifications. I did, and then I blocked them for making a fuss over 30 cents. They can have fun buying my same items from overseas sellers for exorbitant prices.

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@11dustyattic wrote:

Not the quickest cab on the rank

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Oh look, a rickshaw calling a cab slow  

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@south.coffee wrote:
Just like your employment, pay week finishes on Tuesday and then you have to wait till Friday for the money to roll up in your bank account. Throw in a Friday public holiday and your broke until Monday when the money finally turns up.

Instead of the bank using your cash on the short term money market while you starve, it will eBay profiting even more at our expense...

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Yes. Sickening. Add that to the money back guarantee they offer scammers lol on the seller's behalf, insanely high fees (real percentage on item disguised by charging on postage as well, therefore floating it under the radar), it's pure greed. I wonder which of their employees will refute this 

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Insanely high fees? I take it then that you put measures in place to prevent your own profits exceeding, say, 14% of your sale price, and avoiding "pure greed"? What are your markups, dusty? 5%? A generous 10%? Coudln't be much more than that given your judgements.

[digital*ghost]

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@11dustyattic wrote:

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@11dustyattic wrote:

People don't have to be sheep though. Everyone fell into line and agreed to it 

Fools

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You're so peachy, with a generous helping of keen on the side.

Will you switch, when there is no choice in the matter, or will you abandon eBay all together? 

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I don't know what the future holds. At this stage I've firmly abandoned and very happy with that decision. Doing well on other platforms, this was never a major player anyway, fortunately. But who knows. Never say never

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Fair enough, but do you genuinely think it's accurate, fair or appropriate to suggest anyone who chooses differently (that is, to keep their business on eBay, and to sign on to managed payments), hasn't thought it through, hasn't made an informed (as much as that is possible) decision, but are mere sheep following the herd? 

Do you genuinely believe that just because you reject the idea of managed payments (for now, but not categorically, as you do say you might be open to it in the future), that anyone else who doesn't is somehow of lesser intelligence or decision making skills? Or, at the very least, that they have no personal agency or the capacity to think for themselves?

This is what everyone who has referred to those continuing on with their business on eBay as fools, sheep or lemmings, is inferring, and yet the only justification that's being made for doing so is "I chose differently", which is not evidence of anything.

Just because you feel that is a better choice for you, it doesn't make it the best choice for everyone. 

[countessalmirena]

Each seller has the right to run their business with the policies and T&Cs* that best suit their business model, or which they think best suit their business model, or which they simply decide to implement and use.

*That is, as long as

• the policies and T&Cs legally required of them are not overriden by the seller's own policies and T&Cs, and
• the policies and T&Cs of any platform or partner being used by the seller are not overriden by the seller's own policies and T&Cs.

So far, from what I am reading, Managed Payments has some teething problems and drawbacks. (I was interested by your speculation about a possible reason for payment delays, digital*ghost...) I hope the issues iron out, and I hope there's a pathway for challenging the process in the event of something going wrong.

[11dustyattic]

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@digital*ghost wrote:

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@11dustyattic wrote:

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@digital*ghost wrote:

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@11dustyattic wrote:

People don't have to be sheep though. Everyone fell into line and agreed to it 

Fools

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You're so peachy, with a generous helping of keen on the side.

Will you switch, when there is no choice in the matter, or will you abandon eBay all together? 

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I don't know what the future holds. At this stage I've firmly abandoned and very happy with that decision. Doing well on other platforms, this was never a major player anyway, fortunately. But who knows. Never say never

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Fair enough, but do you genuinely think it's accurate, fair or appropriate to suggest anyone who chooses differently (that is, to keep their business on eBay, and to sign on to managed payments), hasn't thought it through, hasn't made an informed (as much as that is possible) decision, but are mere sheep following the herd? 

Do you genuinely believe that just because you reject the idea of managed payments (for now, but not categorically, as you do say you might be open to it in the future), that anyone else who doesn't is somehow of lesser intelligence or decision making skills? Or, at the very least, that they have no personal agency or the capacity to think for themselves?

This is what everyone who has referred to those continuing on with their business on eBay as fools, sheep or lemmings, is inferring, and yet the only justification that's being made for doing so is "I chose differently", which is not evidence of anything.

Just because you feel that is a better choice for you, it doesn't make it the best choice for everyone. 

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Confronting isn't it? History shows the devastating result of that very behavior, so don't you be judging me for making a decision not only for me but for the better good of everyone, in a broader sense for the future of mankind. Make your own decisions, have a contingency plan, don't just fall in and do whatever you're told. That mindset scares me. It should scare you.

I hate this site anyway, it's like writing an open cheque for scammers with Ebay supporting them every step of the way. The fees on postage is just a joke and people are so dumb they don't realise how that escalates their fees on the item itself, as designed by Ebay. They count on those using the site not being the sharpest tools in the shed

So it's not exactly a hardship for me

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@11dustyattic wrote:

...so don't you be judging me for making a decision not only for me...

...but for the better good of everyone, in a broader sense for the future of mankind...

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I believe digi*g was actually challenging your own vocal judgment of others, not passing judgement on you, if you can understand the difference.

As for your supposed contribution to the betterment of mankind...