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bluephoenix50 · ‎07-09-2013

I am sickened by the fact dealers are able to make bids on 20 or more items at any given time and most the time it is items i have bid on, these people keep stealing items i try purchasing, how do i report them and why are they allowed to do so, Ebay is meant to be for individuals trying to buy and sell second hand items or items they have no use for to make a few bucks, but that enjoyment is fast being taken by dealers coming in here and taking every chance we have as legit buyers to buy something we want and save a few bucks in the process, E.G, i made a bid on a laptop with a starting price of 0.99, i started at 20aud and the item had 6 days remaining, not even 10 minutes had passed and someone outbid me with 50aud, then another person who is still on that item has made bid 200aud not giving me a chance to make another offer, i am a pensioner, i try hard to get what i can when i can, and these people get away with wild bids long before the end time, it should be controlled or have a limit of 5 items per day to bid on and anything above that will not be allowed, thus giving myself and others in my situation a better chance at getting what we bid for....ANY ANSWER WILL APPRECIATED.

Regards Bluephoenix50

digital*ghost · ‎15-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
Well these responses are typical and very slefish of many of you as you have all taken my post to the extremes, see i wrote that to prove a point to a friend about a topic of how many a sentence and or statements can and are often taken out of the context of why they are said or written and thank you all for your proven bias and quite nasty statements, maybe someday someone with the right brains will actually ask the question for a more unbias response and not so daming nature as to the response i got here, and by the way, i don't give a **** about who bids or outbids me, this was just a few sentences to get some responses to see what attitudes many people would have, and to get some opinions on what people thought of such a hypocritical statement, if you look hard enough you will see that it was only a hypothectical question not and actual complaint,

I find this to be an interesting comment, and a (somewhat) surprising one, too. At this point in time, I don't have the inclination to offer a (full on) critical assessment of your original post, thus explaining why you received the kind of responses you did, but I'm curious as to how you expected forum members to understand you were talking about hypothetical circumstances?

Your subject title is How do i report dealers outbidding me on every item i try to bid on

That is not the language of hypotheses, in any way, shape or form.

It is a specific question indicating circumstances specifc to you, with a (perceived) resolved solution to the problem being experienced (reporting other members). In the future, if you wish to pose a hypothetical question to the forum, may I suggest you alter your language and context. Keeping with just the title, I would suggest something like "Is it Possible to Report Members For Continually Outbidding The Same Person".

The main difference is that the latter indicates the question is non-personal, and that information in general is sought, rather than instruction for a specific problem that is being personally experienced.

In other words, the responses your received were, in no small part, tailored by your OP, so the bias in the "experiment" results was very much influenced by you and your post.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎15-09-2013

Hey thankyou mate, at least someone could give a good response and not have so much negativity, this was done for to show a friend what people think about such topics and for my essay on the subject matter. Once again thank you and good luck in the future, and thanks for the advise about Gumtree.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎15-09-2013

You hit the nail right on the head with this response mate, exactly what i was talking about when i posted the topic, and great response.......Cheers.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎15-09-2013

Yes you are right, but i was thinking of it as more of a sort of questionable solution for all Ebay Sellers and Buyers not as a solution to my own needs, so as the topic would get something but not so extreme, anyway i got what i needed. thank you for the response and to the point.

I do and can realise the way you have put it to me, but i was thinking in the way of an individual who did want to have a solution to his or her way of thinking, but as i said i should have ask the tpoic with a different approach.

I have my essay now with the types of answers needed, and my friend, well he laughed cause he did not have to deal with the responses lol.

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leader-of-the-band · ‎15-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
Well these responses are typical and very slefish of many of you as you have all taken my post to the extremes, see i wrote that to prove a point to a friend about a topic of how many a sentence and or statements can and are often taken out of the context of why they are said or written and thank you all for your proven bias and quite nasty statements, maybe someday someone with the right brains will actually ask the question for a more unbias response and not so daming nature as to the response i got here, and by the way, i don't give a **** about who bids or outbids me, this was just a few sentences to get some responses to see what attitudes many people would have, and to get some opinions on what people thought of such a hypocritical statement, if you look hard enough you will see that it was only a hypothectical question not and actual complaint, oh yes, AND BY THE WAY, I LOVE EBAY, if i thought it was wrong i would not be on it. and yes i would have missed out on many of the playstations games had i not fought hard as i did to win them. I was outbid many times so there is no need to dig into what i buy, i certainly did not do that type of thing to you lot.

keep to the topic not my purchases.

okay, I'll take the bait!

Firstly, your opening post sounded very much like a complaint. It had all the hallmarks of a complaint, with language such as "I am sickened by the fact dealers are able . . . " and " . . . but that enjoyment is fast being taken by dealers coming in here . . . . " and there are more . . . . . but I am tired, so I will leave it at two examples as I have more to say before finishing this post.

Secondly, looking at your feedback to see the items you have bought is on topic. You were ~~complaining~~ saying that you miss out on items because of dealers and suggesting a course of action that eBay could take. Looking at your buying to highlight the effects that your suggestions might have on you is on topic, especially limiting the number of items one can bid on per day.

Thirdly, you are now telling us that your Opening Post was a "hypothetical", but the way it was presented made it look more like a complaint, a wind-up, or you just taking the p*ss.

Fourthly, you lied! Towards the end of your Opening Post you stated "ANY ANSWER WILL APPRECIATED" yet you have come back here and shown very little appreciation for some of the responses from a number of posters.

Stick that in your essay!

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digital*ghost · ‎15-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
Yes you are right, but i was thinking of it as more of a sort of questionable solution for all Ebay Sellers and Buyers not as a solution to my own needs, so as the topic would get something but not so extreme, anyway i got what i needed. thank you for the response and to the point.

I do and can realise the way you have put it to me, but i was thinking in the way of an individual who did want to have a solution to his or her way of thinking, but as i said i should have ask the tpoic with a different approach.

I have my essay now with the types of answers needed, and my friend, well he laughed cause he did not have to deal with the responses lol.

Well, it's good to know that the forum was able to resolve at least one issue (that is, provide the material needed for an essay), 🙂 though to be honest I think you will find some people won't take too kindly to being informed they were the unwilling participants in a social experiment - but I suspect you may be able to allay that somewhat if the essay is of significant acedemic merit.

For your own benefit, I would highly recommend full disclosure at this point (essay statement / argument, where it will be submitted, especially if there is a chance it will be published), if/how participants information will be used (which will need permissions), and so forth.

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leader-of-the-band · ‎15-09-2013

Hope you are going to run the spellchecker over your essay before submitting it! Your posts have some spelling mistakes. Lithium have even given us a spellchecker for our posts which we can use before submitting a post.

I'll save you some time . . . . here's just a few to help you on the way

slefish, unbias, daming, hypothectical in post #18

tpoic in post #25

Additionally, I would also avoid the use of " i " instead of " I ", and eBay is not spelt as ebay or EBAY or Ebay (even the spellchecker picks up this one)

Good luck with your essay

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leader-of-the-band · ‎17-09-2013

@leader-of-the-band wrote:

I'll save you some time . . . . here's just a few to help you on the way

slefish, unbias, daming, hypothectical ~~in post #18~~

tpoic ~~in post #25~~

with the reinstatement of this thread there have been some posts removed that make the references to posts in my post #26 incorrect.

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the_great_she_elephant · ‎17-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
I do not know they are bidders, i am saying it hypothetically, what if they were, i do not give a stuff, i am after responses on the thoughts of other people as i am doing a survey of what people would say and think of such statements, it is part of an essay i am doing, if i thought all that i said in that topic i would not be on ebay making bids myself, i think it is actually fun, i love the challenge.

You remind me of another student of human nature who set out to collect material for an essay on tribal customs. In his case it wasn't eBay he chose but a tribe in the remote Highlands of Papua New Guinea. He approached them with some trepidation, but to his surprise and delight they welcomed him as an honoured guest. They buit himh im a beautiful grass hut, fed him the choicest food and provided him with a bevy of their most beautiful maidens to wait on him hand and foot and provide him with 'comforts' at night. For a whole month they treated him like a king and then, at the next full moon, they held a big feast for all the tribe .............. and ate him.

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lyndal1838 · ‎17-09-2013

I think a few posters would like to do that to the OP.

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leader-of-the-band · ‎17-09-2013

@lyndal1838 wrote:
I think a few posters would like to do that to the OP.

I'll bring the fork'n'spoon to stir the pot

Spoiler

read it as it is written . . . . ." fork n spoon ", now repeat it five times quickly!

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tstore · ‎17-09-2013

It is the thread that keeps on giving!

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phorum_junkie* · ‎17-09-2013

Now I am totally confused, is the OP a game playing pensioner or an ex retailer student?

Any answers not really appreciated!

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retailtherapist_8 · ‎17-09-2013

Well I have'nt been invloved in a blind uncontrolled variable experiment since Uni! How interesting.

To the OP, as the subjects of your experiment I would assume you will make your findings and essay public so we can all have a ~~laugh~~ read ?

Coming to these boards and "setting" the good members of this community "up" for your own personal amusement is disgraceful.

1. You posed a ridiculous question & then get indignant when you get increduality in response

2. You then proceed to inform the members of this board that you have wasted everyones time on some ill conceived high school project .

Good luck seeking help from anyone here in the future should you genuinely need some. Welcome to my "special" list.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎21-09-2013

the reason i feel the need to tell i am a pensioner is cause of people like you who think your the only type of people who are on ebay making a bid on items, we all do not have 100's or thousands of dollars to throw about in bids, and so what if i am a pensioner, we need a fair go too, stores and auctions have taken Ebay to a level many of us can not afford, this is also included in the essay i done about dealers, that was the first part of the essay, next part is soon to come. By the way, i do not care about who is doing what or how on ebay, i am happy with what ever goes or i would not be on it.
What i am saying is That everyone pensioner , middle class worker, or high society socialist, millionaire billionaire what ever, you can be anyone you want there, but give others a chance also, not think of yourself all the time, cause i do not care if i am outbid if i have the cash i will bid to my limit, and search again and again till i do get it or i will buy it from retail outlet, cash makes for good bargaining also.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎21-09-2013

It is true that the responses to the question asked were influenced by myself as it was the way i was hoping it would be cause in my mind i was thinking of it hypothetically but as you stated in the wrong phrase of the meaning hypothesis and i sincerely appoligise to all the forum, also i was not acting upon the question while sober which is by no means excusable. Thankyou for your thoughts and corrections.

Regards Bluephoenix50

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k1ooo-slr-sales · ‎21-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
It is true that the responses to the question asked were influenced by myself as it was the way i was hoping it would be cause in my mind i was thinking of it hypothetically but as you stated in the wrong phrase of the meaning hypothesis and i sincerely appoligise to all the forum, also i was not acting upon the question while sober which is by no means excusable. Thankyou for your thoughts and corrections.

Regards Bluephoenix50

kinda makes any conclusions from the responses unreliable for use in an essay, unless the topic of the essay is something like "How to conduct unreliable research on eBay forums" and you use the responses to show how posters have to take the Opening Post at face value and not think that the Opening Poster is just an idiot out to stir up trouble.

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling you an idiot . . . . . I still don't have enough information about you on which to decide either way.

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bluephoenix50 · ‎21-09-2013

your response is appreciated thank you. the essay was rejected as there were too many mistakes and written incorrectly.

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*sparklz* · ‎07-09-2013

ebay like any auction goes to the highest bidder.

There is NOTHING to report any for as anyone is allowed to bid on any items no matter who they are except sellers are not allowed to bid on their own items.

So in the end to win anything you have to place the highest amount pensioner or millionaire

Sorry not what you want to hear but that is how ebay works.

*sparklz* · ‎07-09-2013

it should be controlled or have a limit of 5 items per day to bid on and anything above that will not be allowed, thus giving myself and others in my situation a better chance at getting what we bid for..

Now way on earth will this ever happen.

How would you feel if you went to do your shopping and was ONLY allowed to buy 5 items per day???

Sorry that is like saying daylight savings is fading the curtains or they should never have change from imperial to metric till all the old people had died.

lyndal1838 · ‎08-09-2013

How do you know they are dealers bidding on the items you are bidding on? Only the seller can see the full ID of bidders so you would not even know who they are, let alone whether they are dealers.

And ebay is not for individuals want to trade in second hand goods.....it is for anyone who wants to buy and sell, whether new or second hand goods.

It is very rare to get a real bargain on ebay these days....a laptop for $20 is just a joke....of course it will go higher than that. If the auction is still going you can make a further bid but you need to be realistic.

leader-of-the-band · ‎08-09-2013

your suggestions are all biased towards buyers who are not prepared to pay a fair price but are only interested in a bargain. What about eBay sellers? Don't they have the right to get the best price possible for their items?

Buyers would not like the limits, especially if they end up losing out on an item where they were prepared to bid much higher.

Sellers would not list their items if they knew that they would only achieve prices that gave the high bidders a bargain price.

If your suggestions were implemented then I think eBay would die a very quick death as the only items that would be listed would be cheap rubbish.

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digital*ghost · ‎08-09-2013

Just a couple of things to add to what sparklz has already said... EDIT and lyndal, and leader-of-the-band

No one is stealing anything from you, as you have no ownership over items you bid on. The other bidders have no more or less opportunity than you do... Although they might have more money to spend, it's not the same thing. Sorry to say it but no one owes you the opportunity to buy something for a really cheap price, especially in an auction format - the whole objective here is to get to the highest possible price (for sellers, obviously, but also for buyers - i.e. to be the highest bidder at close of auction), and starting desirable items at a very low price is one of the marketing stategies that supposedly helps acheive that.

The other thing is, dealers in general are not prepared to place "wild bids". They are just like you, trying to get items as low as possible, as presumably if they pay too high a price, there's no profit to be had and they wouldn't be a dealer for very long. So my guess is your competitors are other people trying to get an item at a price they are prepared to pay.... The simple reality is that they don't deserve to have less opportunities to buy the items they want because you want greater opportunities for less that they are prepared to pay.

People can place a bid for whatever price they like, at any time they like (yourself included), as long as they are prepared to meet their committments. It's a commerce site, so money is the main thing that gives you a better chance of getting what you bid on.

leader-of-the-band · ‎08-09-2013

@bluephoenix50 wrote:
. . . . . . . it should be controlled or have a limit of 5 items per day to bid on and anything above that will not be allowed, thus giving myself and others in my situation a better chance at getting what we bid for

I think you would have missed out on many of those playstation games you bought from the one seller had there been limits on bidding in place!

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retailtherapist_8 · ‎08-09-2013

I feel for you, you obviously are not aware of 1. the nature of an auction 2. the nature of this site.

With respect , did you really believe you were going to win a lap top for $20?

A little research in "completed listings" will give you a really good idea of what the end price might be of an item you intend to bid on. Its a good resource for buyers 7 sellers alike.

Perhaps by doing this you will realise that noone is out to "steal" items from you ( a teeny bit of a hysterical statement)but rather they have a more realistic understanding of value and slightly deeper pockets, its that simple.

Save a little & bid when you have accumulated a nice little kitty to bid with, there are bargains to be had but you need to be a bit more competitive with your bidding.

Good luck.

retailtherapist_8 · ‎08-09-2013

oops typo that should read "buyes & sellers alike"

stampingpaws · ‎08-09-2013

Hello,

I can really understand our pensioner's frustration, being a buyer myself and quite offen not bidding high enough. Now I do understand how EBay works and I do understand how an auction works, but I wish the prices didn't go so high.

I collect Chinese postage stamps and these are HOT HOT HOT at the moment, prices are really high and I miss a lot more items than I win, in fact I miss out on most of them. But, its an auction and occassionly I win a real bargain, making it all worth while.

The days of Ebay being used to buy and sell items of little value I think are over, it is now a place for "dealers and traders". There are stores, incentives such as free listings etc.

My kind advise to a fellow pensioner looking for a bargain is to try EBay's other site gumtree.com.au Here there are less dealers and more bargains, there is even a section called freebies.

Best of luck with your bargain hunting.

Robert

PS - This is my last post on EBay using this username. Have decided to have a dedicated non-trading username in future.