Incorrect new GST amount applied to invoice on overseas purchase

I have made two purchases with the new imposed GST on overseas purchases. The first was correct at 10% on purchase price and postage. 

 

I have just gone to make payment on another purchase and the amount imposed on the invoice as import duites is 14.7% (NOT THE LEGISLATED 10%).

 

Have sent a message to eBay and await there response which could be like a circus when it appears no one in customer service seems to know about GST.

 

Be causious when making payment. 

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In view of the fact that in this case ebay is deemed to be the seller you will have to work with NSW law.

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I understand what you are saying; with some of your earlier posts, I wasn't quite certain about the point you were making. It does make sense now - you are pointing out that as a business with an ABN, purchasing those low-value goods from overseas sellers for business purposes should mean that you do not pay that GST.

 

I've been contacted by a handful of international sellers from whom I purchase for business reasons, on exactly that point. As they are not selling through eBay, it's clear sailing. All I had to do was provide ABN, state that I'm registered for GST, and the purchases are professional, and voilà. It's clearly more complicated through eBay since eBay doesn't have any set-up whereby a purchaser shows their ABN, states they're registered for GST, and that the purchase is not for personal use, so that GST is not applied on that purchase.

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I am livid to see EBay charging GST on imports on second hand goods -kids toys!!! I was reading the laws around GST & it is not suppose to be charged on items where a seller is making no margin! The sellers I am buying from are not commercial businesses so I struggle to see how they can be making a margin therefore how GST can be applied! Also, I wish I had taken a screenshot but I was going to be charged approx $10 for ‘import item’ that cost under $10, how is that possible?!? One way around it is to purchase the item local to the buyer & pay international postage separately via another payment system. This worked & stopped the charge on the imported secondhand kids toy!!!
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I won’t be buying secondhand goods from overseas on EBay anymore!
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@grove_burger wrote:
I am livid to see EBay charging GST on imports on second hand goods -kids toys!!! I was reading the laws around GST & it is not suppose to be charged on items where a seller is making no margin
Well that is a new one on me.....the payment of GST has never been dependant on whether the seller is making a margin.  It is calculated on the actual cost of the item whether or not the seller makes a profit.  It is also immaterial whether the goods are new or second hand.
The sellers I am buying from are not commercial businesses so I struggle to see how they can be making a margin therefore how GST can be applied! Also, I wish I had taken a screenshot but I was going to be charged approx $10 for ‘import item’ that cost under $10, how is that possible?!? One way around it is to purchase the item local to the buyer & pay international postage separately via another payment system. This worked & stopped the charge on the imported secondhand kids toy!!!

Could you please explain this strategy in a bit more detail.....I have no idea what you are getting at.


 

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@grove_burger wrote:
I am livid to see EBay charging GST on imports on second hand goods -kids toys!!! I was reading the laws around GST & it is not suppose to be charged on items where a seller is making no margin! The sellers I am buying from are not commercial businesses so I struggle to see how they can be making a margin therefore how GST can be applied! Also, I wish I had taken a screenshot but I was going to be charged approx $10 for ‘import item’ that cost under $10, how is that possible?!? One way around it is to purchase the item local to the buyer & pay international postage separately via another payment system. This worked & stopped the charge on the imported secondhand kids toy!!!

 

you must have been reading the wrong or outdated laws about GST.  Can you post a link to the laws you read?

 

The GST laws that apply domestically are different to those that apply when you now buy something on eBay from overseas from an overseas seller.  Here, take a look at this thread about the GST on Low Value Imports laws that came into effect on 1st July this year.

 

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/GST-when-buying-overseas-a-few-FACTS/m-p/2171248#M92475

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@grove_burger wrote:
I am livid to see EBay charging GST on imports on second hand goods -kids toys!!! I was reading the laws around GST & it is not suppose to be charged on items where a seller is making no margin!

eBay are classed as the suppliler, under the GST legislation on low value imported goods. The ATO states that the reforms “treat the operator of an electronic distribution platform (EDP) as the supplier of low value goods if the goods are purchased through the platform by consumers and brought into Australia with the assistance of either the supplier or the operator”.

 

eBay is treated by the ATO as the supplier under this description, and collects the GST on behalf of the ATO. Because of this, it is irrelevant whether or not a seller on eBay is under the $75,000 annual threshold in respect of sales to Australia, unfortunately.

 

It is completely irrelevant what sort of margin the seller is making.

 

You may be confusing the seller's margin on an item with the seller's total annual GST turnover from sales that are connected with Australia and made in the course of their enterprise. The threshold is A$75,000.

 

So... if you buy from an overseas sellers whose turnover in selling to Australia is less than $75,000, no problem. You can buy without being charged GST. However, if that same seller is selling on eBay, the rules change. eBay being treated as the supplier means that GST is applicable.

 


@grove_burger wrote:
One way around it is to purchase the item local to the buyer & pay international postage separately via another payment system. This worked & stopped the charge on the imported secondhand kids toy!!!

What do you mean by "purchase the item local to the buyer"? If you mean that you stipulated an overseas delivery address, and you'll have the item forwarded to you from that address, you'll only avoid GST if the overseas delivery address is that of a friend or someone happy to forward the purchase to you. If you use a parcel forwarding service, you will be charged the GST on both the item and the shipment cost to Australia by the parcel/freight forwarder. That's because under the GST legislation that I quoted above, the reforms treat re-deliverers as the suppliers of low value goods if the goods are delivered outside of Australia as part of the supply, and the re-deliverer assists with their delivery into Australia as part of a shopping or mailbox service that it provides under an arrangement with the consumer”.

 

If you want to purchase from overseas without being charged GST on low-value goods, you will need to buy from sellers with their own website, whose sales to Australia don't meet the GST threshold, and who will post directly to your Australian address.

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@grove_burger wrote:
I am livid to see EBay charging GST on imports on second hand goods -kids toys!!! I was reading the laws around GST & it is not suppose to be charged on items where a seller is making no margin! The sellers I am buying from are not commercial businesses so I struggle to see how they can be making a margin therefore how GST can be applied! Also, I wish I had taken a screenshot but I was going to be charged approx $10 for ‘import item’ that cost under $10, how is that possible?!? 

eBay is not charging GST, by which I mean it is not just some thing they up and decided to do one day for the heck of it.

 

The government decided to charge GST on all imports that meet their criteria, and all international items on eBay that are being sent to Australia meet that criteria, so the government forced eBay to collect it for them - I can assure you eBay did not want to have to do that (they don't care if people have to pay taxes, they just didn't want to be responsible for collecting it).

 

As for the other part (which I have omitted from the quote), I understand perfectly what you meant, and if I were you I would not be posting in a public forum explaining methods to evade taxes, as tax evasion is, you know, illegal. 

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Well said and well written.  I was wondering what was going on.  Looks like the whole thing is a mess.  Will consider carefully before buying overseas until they sort this mess out. I have come across the same problem with the gross overcharging.

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@anev8917 wrote:

Well said and well written.  I was wondering what was going on.  Looks like the whole thing is a mess.  Will consider carefully before buying overseas until they sort this mess out. I have come across the same problem with the gross overcharging.


 

what mess?

 

GST on low-cost imports has been in place for almost a year now.

 

I suggest you read the three posts before yours for clarification.

 

In short, for items where GSP/Pitney Bowes are involved, it is they who collect the GST and not eBay.  They also prepare any paperwork like customs declarations etc.

 

For doing this they charge a fee, which incidentally incurrs GST.  They simply lump the GST payable on eBay item, the GST payable on shipping, their fees plus GST on their fees into one charge that they have chosen to call "import charge".

 

The only mess I can see is that buyers are mistakenly thinking the "import charge" is just GST and therefore more than 10%.

 

By the way, welcome to these discussion boards Smiley Happy

 

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I say this last bit with a happy, smiley face so you don't think I am an umwelcoming alien from the planet Nasty Clique!

 

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