Is this seller a scammer? – Sherlock please help!

 

Hello to all!

 

I need some input from experienced Ebayers please!

 

I have a problem with a seller who comes up with all sorts of explanations as to why he has not sent my item yet.

History: 16 days ago I bought a laptop for about 100** dollars. Before buying I contacted the seller via “ask the seller a question” for some information on the item. It was not quite suitable and I received a return email with an offer of another laptop, which he allegedly had just listed. I had a look and could not find it in the “see other sellers items list” so he sent me the item number and I found it but it was not suitable either. I unfortunately cant remember under which name this listing was. Maybe he has more than 2 Ids.

I then decided to auction the first laptop I had enquired about. I won the bid, paid straight away online with funds transfer. **The same day** I received an email of the seller asking wether I had paid and which way I had paid. I gave him the information.

I then contacted him with an ebay email and asked him to pack the item safely and if he needed more money I would pay for extra packaging costs. He agreed and I sent an additional amount of 20 dollars via funds transfer, which he must have received on 14th of May.

In-between 11 May and 14th may I received an ebay-email, which said the item, was sent.

On 17th May I received an automated email that the laptop was relisted for sale again. This message probably only came to me because I still had the item stored in “my watch list”. I had a look and it was the identical laptop with the identical text but it had an additional “By Now” option of 200** dollars.

(Interessting: The day he relisted the laptop he also had created a second ID name. His listings and emails started to appear all under his new name.)

I contacted the seller why he is reselling my laptop and he said it is another laptop that looks similar. Not much later I received an automated ebay email that my sale was cancelled and that I should click to get a refund, which I didn’t do.

On inquiry the seller told me that this cancellation was a mistake and I would receive my laptop.

 

My laptop didn’t turn up and I contacted the seller on 25th May (which is a fortnight from purchase) with ebay email: Item not received.

He answered (with various types of email headers) that due to a sick child and thats why he is away from home until 29th of May and he can’t send it now but only on 29th of May. (How does he know that his sick child will be ok again on 29th?) He also offered me a refund. I declined the refund and said that 29th was too late I needed it earlier.

 

Then I had a look again on his rating page and found (out of 7 ratings) 1 bad rating where a buyer complained that he had won the item fairly but was not sent the item. The item sold for 1 dollar at auction, which was obviously not good enough for the seller, so he relisted the already sold item.

Maybe the price of 100 dollars for my laptop wasn’t high enough either and that’s why the seller relisted it unaware of the fact that I would receive a “relisted” mail.

 

On his rating page the last item sold on 21 May and was rated afterwards. This either means to me, that he was at home at least until 21 of May (why didn’t he sent the laptop then in the previous 10 days 11 May till 21 May?) or that he is listing items, buys them himself and gives himself ratings. The latter would make sense given that several items that had already sold (for example a water kettle / no rating appeared) and it was relisted again. The toe bar which the complaining buyer didn’t receive was relisted as well.

 He also made a comment on the phone that he needs good ratings. He said that he had problems with a buyer who didnt sent his money and thats why ebay now has a look into (all?) his emails.

Could this seller already have a hidden bad history?

 

After declining the refund I received again an email saying that I would receive the laptop when he is back home after his relative is out of hospital. This time he didn’t tell me a date. I found this answer to vague and sent another email to tell me a correct date when I will receive the laptop.

 

I am currently waiting for the answer, but I think I might have got caught up with a scammer.

 

Another worry is, that more people might get scammed possibly under various ID’s.

 

When he listed my laptop first time he had zero ratings (I thought I give him a fair go)

6 days later 17th May he changed his name. I had a look at the ID page and there were 2 names listed now. From then on I had to deal with him under his new ID.

 

During a short phone call he told me he needs good ratings because he had trouble with a buyer who didn’t want to send him his money and therefore Ebay now has access to all his emails.

 

On the whole I have exchanged about 35 emails with him. 

 

Ladies and gents, I need your opinion please!

 

Could this possibly be a scammer?

I am not an experienced buyer here on Ebay Australia and would like to know where the pitfalls are also in regards to missing time limits and using the correct request forms for further action.

 

Thanks for reading my long text and thanks for your input!

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gees, experiences like this are why ive just about had it with ebay, after 15 years!! you just wonder if its worth it. 

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@magpie13*8 wrote:

gees, experiences like this are why ive just about had it with ebay, after 15 years!! you just wonder if its worth it. 


If you have the OP's cavalier attitude to safely trading online, probably 'no'. If, however, after 15 years you've worked it out, then 'yes'. Up to you to determine your level of expertise.

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paypal is mot the be all end all. i recently had a click and collect paid through paypal. unless you have the item delivered with tracking advice paypal is as useless as a bank transfer. no difference.
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Thanks for your answer and your concern, much appreciated  🙂 !!!!

 

Your are right, when it comes to byer protection there is obvioulsy no way around Pay Pal.

 

I have read their privacy statements and they quite frankly dont suit me at all!

 

The consequence will be that I wont buy on Ebay anymore i think.

 

After many requests as to when the seller is going to send me the laptop I received an answer today, that he will send me a refund althogh I never agreed to it.  It wouldn't really surprise me if I didn't get that refund as well.

 

So I was right: From the beginning on the seller had no intention to send me the laptop at all. Most likely he has sold it elswhere for a higher price.

 

If this kind of trading is accepted on Ebay Australia, than its better for me anyway not to deal here anymore.

 

I had a few transactions in the past month and 30% were unsatisfactory, it takes just too much time to sort it all out.

 

Thanks again for your input 🙂 !!

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THANKS 🙂 !!!
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"There is no problem giving your bank details so the seller can refund you. Don't forget that is how you paid the seller so you have his details as well.

How else do you think the seller can refund you? He is most unlikely to send you a bank cheque or a postal order as they would cost him a lot of money and time to organise it. If you want any chance of getting your refund you need to make it as easy as possible for the seller."

 

The seller wrote today that he will go to his bank and refund my money. By the sounds of it the bank has my details and he can get them from them. To be honest, I meanwhile think that this seller is a professional scammer and that I wont see my money again. I find this easer to accept than letting him get away with the scam.

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 " If you do open a paypal account you receive refunds through it as well as make payments. In fact, if you use paypal to pay that is the only way a seller should refund you and if you open a dispute and win it, ebay or paypal will refund your money to your paypal account."

 

If they only refund moneys to paypal accounts than I wont receive my money anyway, because I will never sign up to pay pal. Read their privacy statemets and all the related contracts and you might understand why.

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Yes, there is an online fraud squad....each state has one and you have already been given the official government site ACORN....Google it and learn all about it.

 

PHANTASTIC, thanks. I really didnt know what ACORN was. I will read it, it interessts me. Thanks for the info.

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You say you don't want a paypal account.....sorry to be blunt but if you are not prepared to try and protect yourself when buying on ebay then you will find the responders on these boards will not be gentle with you. It is complete madness to go putting your hard earned money into a stranger's bank account with no hope of getting it back if things go wrong.

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Good that you mention this. I had close to 200 transactions (as a buyer) either paid via online funds transfer or debit card but never with pay pal. The vast majority of transactions were made Overseas and I only had one bad seller. I didnt know that I had to be so much more carefull here in Australia. As I said before, I am learning by the second here :-).

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"Your comment that you did not know you could use a debit card through paypal shows that you did not even investigate it as a payment option."

 

No, thats not quite right. When I saw the pay pal icon, I thought I would have to open an account with pay pal first.

A few days later a bought something else and tried that pay pal option and realised that this works with  my debit card without opening a pay pal account.

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Using a credit card or Visa debit card on paypal gives you the best possible protection. If an ebay or paypal dispute goes wrong you have the option of doing a chargeback through your bank.

 

Thanks for your answers , I will take all that on board 🙂

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"paypal is mot the be all end all. i recently had a click and collect paid through paypal. unless you have the item delivered with tracking advice paypal is as useless as a bank transfer. no difference."

 

Good to know. I think it was a good idea posting here on this board. I learn much faster here than I had reading pages and pages of ebay help links 🙂

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Just to clarify a few of your remarks above.......

 

First, could you tell me what there is about the paypal privacy statements that make you say you will never have an account?  I read all their T & C when I joined up years ago and read all the updates as they are released and I have no problems with them.

 

I have used paypal since long before it was called paypal and acquired by ebay.  My husband's family is all overseas and we have had tens of thousands of $$$ transferred over the years with no problems at all.  And I have done thousands of ebay transactions with very little trouble.  The few transactions that caused a problem were all sorted very quickly with just a phone call to paypal.

 

Yes, you can use paypal as a guest using a credit or debit card but only for a limited number of transactions.  After that you will be asked to open an account.

And if you have a problem and need to make a claim you will need to open an account using the same details as you used for the guest payment.

 

The remark about not getting refunds if they have to go into your paypal account.....if you don't pay with paypal there is no point in opening a dispute as you are not covered anyway.

 

As far as your seller refunding to your bank account......you are right, you will never see the money UNLESS YOU GIVE HIM YOUR DETAILS.   I don't know where you come from but here in Australia you cannot just walk into a bank and get someone else's details just by asking for them.

 

I really don't understand why you refuse to give the seller your bank details.  If you believe he can steal your identity with them what is stopping you stealing his identity....you have all his details too you know.   It just doesn't happen that way in Australia.   It takes a lot more than a name, address, phone number and bank account details to prove your identity in Australia.  Trust me, I have just spent hours getting a photo ID card and the amount of paperwork to prove my identity was incredible.

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Wow, just wow lol

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“First, could you tell me what there is about the paypal privacy statements that make you say you will never have an account?….”

 

***At the moment I can not make re-reading all the statements a priority in order to find the relevant passages due to lack of time and other personal issues. If I ever be able to go through them again I will come back to this post and reply. Sorry, I hope you understand.

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“…… were all sorted very quickly with just a phone call to paypal…..

 

***Yes I heard only good things about paypal responding to customer enquiries!

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“……Yes, you can use paypal as a guest using a credit or debit card but only for a limited number of transactions. After that you will be asked to open an account……

 

**** Thanks for this useful information, I didn’t know that.

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“…..The remark about not getting refunds if they have to go into your paypal account.....if you don't pay with paypal there is no point in opening a dispute as you are not covered anyway…..”

****Great that you pointed that out so clearly to me again. I know now where I am standing!

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“………As far as your seller refunding to your bank account......you are right, you will never see the money UNLESS YOU GIVE HIM YOUR DETAILS. I don't know where you come from but here in Australia you cannot just walk into a bank and get someone else's details just by asking for them…..”

 

**** GREAT! This an information I really needed too!

 

The seller yesterday wrote to me in the “I have not received my item” email, that he will go to his bank and ask them to send my money back to my account. Based on what you said this is unlikely to work and I therefore assume that he knows this as well and has no intention to sending me my money back anyway. Wait and see what will happen.

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“……..I really don't understand why you refuse to give the seller your bank details. If you believe he can steal your identity with them what is stopping you stealing his identity....you have all his details too you know. It just doesn't happen that way in Australia. It takes a lot more than a name, address, phone number and bank account details to prove your identity in Australia. Trust me, I have just spent hours getting a photo ID card and the amount of paperwork to prove my identity was incredible…….”

 

****Until now the seller has not asked me for my bank details and that’s why I have not forwarded them to him. (I didn’t not refuse to give them to him).

There was a while ago a programme on tv that warned to give out bank details in regards to identity theft.

After your advice yesterday to read ACORN I found information that is in keeping with my suspicion and with the tv programme.

ACORN sais in regards to identity theft : name, address, date of birth or bank account details) to steal money or gain other benefits. Source: http://www.acorn.gov.au/what-is-cybercrime/identity-theft/

 

As I mentioned before, he has got my address, my email addres, my real name, my phone number and I am not sure wether I should disclose my bank account details to him as well. I will pop into my bank next week and ask them what they think.

 

His behaviour so far (sending emails under all sorts of different headers, sending contradicting messages, not responding as promised, not sending the item despite having sending confirmed in an email plus additional promises to send item, different types of excuses as to why he hasn’t sent the item yet and more…), giving me a seller rating instead of a buyer rating plus rude feedback to my friendly response and more…. doesn’t inspire any trust on my behalf and all this could be directly designed to extract more informations out of me in order to misuse them.

But never mind, as far as I can see now, the seller is not likely to refund me anyway… I wait and see wether his approach to asking his bank to send the money back to me will work.

I will report back how things are/were proceeding.

 

Lyndal1838, I thank you for the thoughts and the time you’ve put into my enquiry here. I DO appreciate it very much!

 

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