on 27-05-2015 02:52 AM
Hello to all!
I need some input from experienced Ebayers please!
I have a problem with a seller who comes up with all sorts of explanations as to why he has not sent my item yet.
History: 16 days ago I bought a laptop for about 100** dollars. Before buying I contacted the seller via “ask the seller a question” for some information on the item. It was not quite suitable and I received a return email with an offer of another laptop, which he allegedly had just listed. I had a look and could not find it in the “see other sellers items list” so he sent me the item number and I found it but it was not suitable either. I unfortunately cant remember under which name this listing was. Maybe he has more than 2 Ids.
I then decided to auction the first laptop I had enquired about. I won the bid, paid straight away online with funds transfer. **The same day** I received an email of the seller asking wether I had paid and which way I had paid. I gave him the information.
I then contacted him with an ebay email and asked him to pack the item safely and if he needed more money I would pay for extra packaging costs. He agreed and I sent an additional amount of 20 dollars via funds transfer, which he must have received on 14th of May.
In-between 11 May and 14th may I received an ebay-email, which said the item, was sent.
On 17th May I received an automated email that the laptop was relisted for sale again. This message probably only came to me because I still had the item stored in “my watch list”. I had a look and it was the identical laptop with the identical text but it had an additional “By Now” option of 200** dollars.
(Interessting: The day he relisted the laptop he also had created a second ID name. His listings and emails started to appear all under his new name.)
I contacted the seller why he is reselling my laptop and he said it is another laptop that looks similar. Not much later I received an automated ebay email that my sale was cancelled and that I should click to get a refund, which I didn’t do.
On inquiry the seller told me that this cancellation was a mistake and I would receive my laptop.
My laptop didn’t turn up and I contacted the seller on 25th May (which is a fortnight from purchase) with ebay email: Item not received.
He answered (with various types of email headers) that due to a sick child and thats why he is away from home until 29th of May and he can’t send it now but only on 29th of May. (How does he know that his sick child will be ok again on 29th?) He also offered me a refund. I declined the refund and said that 29th was too late I needed it earlier.
Then I had a look again on his rating page and found (out of 7 ratings) 1 bad rating where a buyer complained that he had won the item fairly but was not sent the item. The item sold for 1 dollar at auction, which was obviously not good enough for the seller, so he relisted the already sold item.
Maybe the price of 100 dollars for my laptop wasn’t high enough either and that’s why the seller relisted it unaware of the fact that I would receive a “relisted” mail.
On his rating page the last item sold on 21 May and was rated afterwards. This either means to me, that he was at home at least until 21 of May (why didn’t he sent the laptop then in the previous 10 days 11 May till 21 May?) or that he is listing items, buys them himself and gives himself ratings. The latter would make sense given that several items that had already sold (for example a water kettle / no rating appeared) and it was relisted again. The toe bar which the complaining buyer didn’t receive was relisted as well.
He also made a comment on the phone that he needs good ratings. He said that he had problems with a buyer who didnt sent his money and thats why ebay now has a look into (all?) his emails.
Could this seller already have a hidden bad history?
After declining the refund I received again an email saying that I would receive the laptop when he is back home after his relative is out of hospital. This time he didn’t tell me a date. I found this answer to vague and sent another email to tell me a correct date when I will receive the laptop.
I am currently waiting for the answer, but I think I might have got caught up with a scammer.
Another worry is, that more people might get scammed possibly under various ID’s.
When he listed my laptop first time he had zero ratings (I thought I give him a fair go)
6 days later 17th May he changed his name. I had a look at the ID page and there were 2 names listed now. From then on I had to deal with him under his new ID.
During a short phone call he told me he needs good ratings because he had trouble with a buyer who didn’t want to send him his money and therefore Ebay now has access to all his emails.
On the whole I have exchanged about 35 emails with him.
Ladies and gents, I need your opinion please!
Could this possibly be a scammer?
I am not an experienced buyer here on Ebay Australia and would like to know where the pitfalls are also in regards to missing time limits and using the correct request forms for further action.
Thanks for reading my long text and thanks for your input!
01-06-2015 02:23 AM - edited 01-06-2015 02:24 AM
Please don't waste your time calling into your bank as they will tell you exactly the same thing that we've been telling you here, which is that there is absolutely NO risk whatsoever that anybody can use your details fraudulently. In fact, the very worst that can happen is that somebody might make a malicious deposit (hasn't happened to me yet, sadly), but nobody can withdraw anything. That much I can promise you.
Don't muck about any longer. Send him an email similar to that which follows...
Dear Seller,
Can you please refund both payments into my bank account, the details of which are as follows.
Name: Jane B Smith
Bank: CBA
BSB number: 062000
Account number: 1098 1734
Many thanks in advance,
Jane B Smith
That's all you need to do, nothing more, nothing less, and just to prove to you that it's perfectly safe to give him, or anybody else your bank account details, I have used my own CBA account numbers above. If you can withdraw any funds from it, you're more than welcome to keep every cent.
on 01-06-2015 11:34 AM
@cq_tech
The seller gave me a call yesterday and explained he didnt send the laptop because the battery was faulty.......
When I said that a faulty battery doesnt worry me because I have my own spare ones, he asked me to put that in writing to him and then he will send the laptop today. (I put that in writing to him)
This could be of course another "scam-answer" of him. I told him that if the laptop doesn't turn up by Wednesday I will take action against him. He answered he will hurry up and sort things out.
He also asked me how to find the whole thread (whole text exchanged) of our "not received request" emails. When he found it I think he realised that he is in a bad position in case Ebay looks into this emails thread.
Besides that he has now out of aprox 10 sales 3 bad ratings. (my rating is not there yet...), and this will open Ebay's eyes as well in case they have to look into the case.
If I havent received the laptop by wednesday I take action and contact ebay.
If he is a scammer, I dont think I will get the laptop nor the money back without the backup of ebay.....
He has got a lot more to loose than I do, lets wait an see..... I will report back what happened.
Thanks for your answer, it's good to know that someone out there cares 🙂
on 01-06-2015 12:41 PM
@rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:Thanks for your answer, it's good to know that someone out there cares 🙂
What is this comment meant to mean?
There are 42 replies on this thread...all of them trying to help you in one way or another. If we did not care we would not be trying to help you when it seems that you do not want to be helped....it is increasingly difficult to convince you that you are wide open to being scammed if you refuse to use paypal to pay for your purchases.
As for reporting the seller to ebay.....all that it may do is draw ebay's attention to him but I doubt that they will do anything unless/until he gets enough defects to be thrown off ebay automatically.
They will not get your money back for you as you did not use paypal or Paymate or a Merchant Credit Facility...one of the 3 safe payment methods allowed by ebay. The biggest majority of sellers use paypal.
on 01-06-2015 02:52 PM
Some people shouldn't be on ebay.
B & M is the only way to go for them
on 01-06-2015 09:40 PM
@lyndal
rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:
@cq_tech
Thanks for your answer, it's good to know that someone out there cares 🙂
"......What is this comment meant to mean?
There are 42 replies on this thread...all of them trying to help you in one way or another. If we did not care we would not be trying to help you……”
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That's a misunderstanding. Firstly, to my memory, I have thanked every person for their input here.
If I didn’t, I apologize and point out that all the comments and advices are VERY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME! THANKS SINCERELY TO ALL POSTERS HERE !!!!
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“……when it seems that you do not want to be helped......".it is increasingly difficult to convince you that you are wide open to being scammed if you refuse to use paypal to pay for your purchases……”
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Thanks for bringing that up again. I did and do understand your concern and I also understand that it is well intended advice. In consequence of that there are only 2 options for me: Either have a Pay Pal account or not to trade on Ebay Australia anymore.
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“…..As for reporting the seller to ebay.....all that it may do is draw ebay's attention to him but I doubt that they will do anything unless/until he gets enough defects to be thrown off ebay automatically….”
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I cant’t help it if they don’t do anything about it. I can only try. Out of 10 buyers 3 have given bad ratings. I think the Ebay platform should and could do with better sellers. But that’s up to them, your’re right.
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“…..They will not get your money back for you as you did not use paypal or Paymate or a Merchant Credit Facility...one of the 3 safe payment methods allowed by ebay. The biggest majority of sellers use paypal…..”
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Yes I understand that I wont get my money back through Ebay. I would only contact them to have a closer look at the seller and maybe keep a watchful eye on him.
Great! Another advice from you I can look into. I’ll check out Paymate and Merchant Credit Facility on the internet.
Unfortunately they didn’t teach me those terms/words when I learnt English in school… 🙂
Lyndal, thanks for taking the time for your answer and of course thanks to all the other posters here as well, I DO APPRECIATE ALL EFFORTS AND INPUT HERE!!!!!!!
p.S.: I received a tracking number for the laptop today. Wait and see wether this is another trick or wether the laptop will arrive soon.
01-06-2015 10:00 PM - edited 01-06-2015 10:01 PM
@rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:@lyndal
@rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:
Great! Another advice from you I can look into. I’ll check out Paymate and Merchant Credit Facility on the internet.
soon.
Rosa Paymate is used by very few sellers, and the Merchant Credit Facility has to be set up by the seller.
Paypal is far and away the best option for you.
on 01-06-2015 10:04 PM
@rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:@lyndal
@rosasumpfbrumsel wrote:
Thanks for your answer, it's good to know that someone out there cares 🙂
"......What is this comment meant to mean?
There are 42 replies on this thread...all of them trying to help you in one way or another. If we did not care we would not be trying to help you……”
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That's a misunderstanding. Firstly, to my memory, I have thanked every person for their input here.
If I didn’t, I apologize and point out that all the comments and advices are VERY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME! THANKS SINCERELY TO ALL POSTERS HERE !!!!
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“……when it seems that you do not want to be helped......".it is increasingly difficult to convince you that you are wide open to being scammed if you refuse to use paypal to pay for your purchases……”
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Thanks for bringing that up again. I did and do understand your concern and I also understand that it is well intended advice. In consequence of that there are only 2 options for me: Either have a Pay Pal account or not to trade on Ebay Australia anymore.
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“…..As for reporting the seller to ebay.....all that it may do is draw ebay's attention to him but I doubt that they will do anything unless/until he gets enough defects to be thrown off ebay automatically….”
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I cant’t help it if they don’t do anything about it. I can only try. Out of 10 buyers 3 have given bad ratings. I think the Ebay platform should and could do with better sellers. But that’s up to them, your’re right.
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“…..They will not get your money back for you as you did not use paypal or Paymate or a Merchant Credit Facility...one of the 3 safe payment methods allowed by ebay. The biggest majority of sellers use paypal…..”
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Yes I understand that I wont get my money back through Ebay. I would only contact them to have a closer look at the seller and maybe keep a watchful eye on him.
Great! Another advice from you I can look into. I’ll check out Paymate and Merchant Credit Facility on the internet.
Unfortunately they didn’t teach me those terms/words when I learnt English in school… 🙂
Lyndal, thanks for taking the time for your answer and of course thanks to all the other posters here as well, I DO APPRECIATE ALL EFFORTS AND INPUT HERE!!!!!!!
p.S.: I received a tracking number for the laptop today. Wait and see wether this is another trick or wether the laptop will arrive soon.
It is not much good investigating Paymate and Merchant Credit Facilities as very few sellers use them. You can only pay a seller using the options they offer.
Sellers who offer Merchant facilities are usually larger sellers who also have a B & M store as it is expensive for the seller.
Paymate is safer for the seller than the buyer as a limited number of claims can be made in a year.
on 01-06-2015 10:07 PM
You'll find few sellers offering Paymate or a merchant credit card. The first is fraught from a BUYER perspective; the second requires you to give the seller your CC details as eBay do not provide a portal.
Stawks is correct - your best bet is a B&M - you won't find anywhere more buyer biased online than eBay, which apparently isn't good enough for you.
on 02-06-2015 03:24 PM
".... Rosa Paymate is used by very few sellers, and the Merchant Credit Facility has to be set up by the seller.
Paypal is far and away the best option for you...."
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Thanks, I got that and I will take it on board 🙂 !
on 02-06-2015 03:35 PM