on 29-05-2018 06:29 PM
The issue of Chinese sellers misrepresenting items to be located at false Australian locations has been a long standing issue with Ebayer's.
Ebay Australia must be well aware of this issue, but notwithstanding never-ending complaints have chosen to turn a "blind eye".
Forget the fact it may disadvantage Austyralian sellers, they dare not alienate some of their biggest fee payers.
HOWEVER, now EBay are required to impose a 10% GST on purchases made from overseas sellers it is going to be interesting to see how things evolve. My suggestion is that whilst they have been able to put the issue of location misrepresentation into the too hard basket (after all, it only upsets the Aussie locals) the Australian Government will carry a lot more weight.
That is, I have no doubt the Government would launch proceedings against EBay to claw back the GST payable on the sale of any items they could prove EBay should have known were not located/shipped from (for example) Darwin, but Beijing.
EBay have tried to cover their "a**" with the following comments in todays email about the introduction of GST.....
"We take item location misrepresentation seriously on eBay. As part of eBay’s Selling practices policy, we have deployed technology to prevent and detect violations across listings and transactions. Sellers found in violation of this policy are may be subject to listing removal, warnings, suspensions by eBay, and may be at risk of compliance action by the Australian Tax Office."
My suggestion is that best they do indeed stop the item location misrepresentation becuase if they don't then I am sure that many Ebay sellers (including ourselves) will not hestitate in raising the matter officially (with the Government.
The resultant fallout could/would be a costly nightmare for EBay.
ABOUT TIME
on 02-06-2018 10:08 PM
@porcelain_dolls_by_me wrote:The galling part is that under the Universal Postal Union agreement the Australian taxpayer actually subsidises the postage of items from China to us.
In effect we are handing the Chinese sellers an unfair cometitive advantage over Australian sellers on a silver platter.
If postage from China to Australia was dearer, those Aussies who buy goods from China would have to pay more to get them here. They'd probably still buy from China so the Chinese would be no worse off than they are now. The only difference is that under the current system the people who pay to subsidise it are those Australians who pay for goods to be posted to them but not from China.
To split hairs, it's not the Chinese sellers who have an unfair advantage, it's the Australians who buy from China who have an unfair advantage because the cost of their postage is subsidised by all the other people who purchase goods from Australian sellers.
on 02-06-2018 11:11 PM
@porcelain_dolls_by_me wrote:The galling part is that under the Universal Postal Union agreement the Australian taxpayer actually subsidises the postage of items from China to us.
In effect we are handing the Chinese sellers an unfair cometitive advantage over Australian sellers on a silver platter.
The Australian taxpayer doesn't subsidise anything. It's the people who send items through the post that subsidise it. Many taxpayers would never receive any parcels or send them through the post.
03-06-2018 09:45 AM - edited 03-06-2018 09:45 AM
Rubbish - it is the general taxpaying public, via the Australian Government, that subsidises the cheap postage of items into Australia.
What has the fact some people may never receive/send a parcel got to do with it?
on 03-06-2018 09:49 AM
The Chinese do have an unfair advantage due to the subsidised postage cost because they can sell, and mail an item cheaper that we in Australia can even just post the same item.
To wit, they can sell an item, including postage to Australia, for (say) $1.50. For us to post the exact same item to the next suburb would cost $7.95.
03-06-2018 11:51 AM - edited 03-06-2018 11:52 AM
AP doesn't operate at a loss. It's fully financed by its sales so the taxpayers aren't subsidising anything, only the people who actually use the service.
on 03-06-2018 05:44 PM
You win - I give up trying to explain the obvious !!
03-06-2018 06:06 PM - edited 03-06-2018 06:07 PM
@porcelain_dolls_by_me wrote:Rubbish - it is the general taxpaying public, via the Australian Government, that subsidises the cheap postage of items into Australia.
What has the fact some people may never receive/send a parcel got to do with it?
Australia Post isn't subsidised by the government (i.e. they don't directly receive tax funds from the government), quite the opposite, they pay money to the gov, from the revenue received from postal services, ergo if an Australian tax payer never purchases a postal service (or, to be more specific, a parcel service), from Aus Post, they are not directly, or indirectly, subsidising the cost of delivering international parcels, because none of their tax money will go to AP.
AP like to cry poor about this issue a lot, though it happens more frequently when there is public outcry about a price increase (that is, they love to play the 'don't blame us, it's your fault we have to keep raising prices' card). I'm not saying that it isn't an issue at all, but I will reserve all judgement on how much of an issue it is until AP actually release some quantifiable figures, instead of what they always do - simply name a massive loss on one very particular aspect of their service, and blame Aussies buying from overseas for it.
They never state what their named figures are based on - it could be actual direct loss after all is said and done, but I doubt it. They get terminal dues based on the difference in volume of mail between us and China, and don't state whether or not that is factored into the loss, nor do they state whether the figure is based on cost to deliver the mail, or the revenue they would have received if the same mail service had been purchased locally. It is very common for businesses to engage in these kinds of misleading statements - "we lost $10 million" when what they really mean is "we could have made $10 million, if only....", and considering some of the manipulative tactics I've seen AP engage in in the past, I would not put this kind of thing past them.
An argument could also be made (though admittedly a more tenuous one) that it's not just the Aussie public that's making up for these costs - I know how much AP can charge for international mail on contract rates, and it can be around half the full price. I get that logistically, one seller sending high volumes can reduce costs quite a bit, but by $10+ per parcel? And what's the deal with it costing $8 to add tracking to an international parcel - I doubt it actually causes any real additional cost to start a number with LK instead of UA, and the barcodes are getting scanned either way. Sellers are more likely to want tracked parcels when posting overseas, so international buyers are paying ridiculous premiums for that.
on 14-09-2018 11:36 AM
EBay ignore reports aboutr misprepresentation of sdeller location. I've reported many Chinese sellers who pretend to be from Australia. Nothing happens. The giveaway is on the seller's profile where you can see the seller's location. EBay is rapidly losing it's appeal due to this unresoved issue.
I don't believe the GST imposition will have any affect on these sellers. It seems that many of them use an EBay accredited cross border agency called WINIT. Here's a response to my inquiry as to the whereabouts of one supplier: We are really a Australia seller,and our office is in Winit.
I think that about sums it up. Ebay support this scam.