What to do re missing parcel? Will Australia Post take responsibility, is it worth pursuing?

Hi all, long term eBayer here, mainly a buyer but have also been a seller of odds and ends of my own over the years - this is my first time posting on the boards though as I have a dilemma and I'm not sure how best to proceed.

 

In all my ebaying years I think I only ever had one parcel go missing years ago, and I think in that case the seller sent me a replacement.  More recently I had a bad transaction with a new seller who clearly did not send my item (I think she wasn't happy with the final price she got) and she provided fake tracking numbers and told all sorts of lies in her emails (they were quite funny to read as she kept contradicting herself) so in the end I lodged a claim with Paypal and was able to get a refund.

 

I don't recall ever having one single parcel that I have sent myself as a seller go missing, so here I am for some advice as despite my years of eBay experience, I haven't really had much at all in dealing with missing items.

 

I recently purchased two tops from the same seller who sent them via Express Post.  I purchased and paid for them on Sunday 29/9, then late that week realised that they should have arrived as they were express post.  So, I checked my ebay and saw that the seller had marked the items as posted on the Monday 30/9 and also included a tracking number.

 

I checked the Aus Post Website and it said 'Delivered' and a Suburb name on 1/10.  Now that's where it gets interesting as I have a padlock on my mailbox and nothing but letters can be fit in the slot, so I was actually expecting to receive a collection card from my local PO.

 

So, I sent a message to the seller to re-confim the details, she confirmed that the tracking number was correct, she has a receipt, the item was sent on 30/9, and she also has a pic of the parcel and confirmed correct address.

 

Next step was a trip to my local PO (it was impossible to actually get them on the phone!) and they did a search but had nothing for me.  I then visited the St Kilda DC (which is sometimes where parcels go when they are large) and they also had nothing for me.

 

The seller kindly lodged an enquiry with Aus Post.  Aus Post have now responded with some story that they 'spoke to the postman and he said he remembers delivering it'.  Well, I have a couple of issues with that, the first being how the h*ll he could remember one parcel from 2 weeks ago in a street with heaps of apartments and presumably lots of parcels, and more importantly, this can't be true as I have a lock on my mailbox.

 

So the seller has now suggested I contact Aus Post myself with the case number and see if I can get anywhere. 

 

She also offered me a half refund, but I don't see why either of us should be out of pocket if she has done the right thing and it's Aus Post's stuff up.  I believe that the seller did send the items - so I think Aus Post should be responsible as they have lost it.  However I'm not sure whether it's worth escalating to a complaint - do they even pay compensation?  I'm willing to sign a stat dec to confirm I have not received the parcel. 

 

I paid for the items with paypal, however I think if I made a paypal claim then the seller would be the one out of pocket and that's not fair either.

 

The other reason I am teed off with Aus Post is that the other day I noticed they'd left a small box on top of the brick bank of letterboxes out front of my apartment - I picked it up thinking it was rubbish, but it was a parcel addressed to someone in my building who also has a lock on their mailbox - so the postie just left it sitting on top right on the street for anyone to take.  I wish I'd taken a picture now, perhaps that's what they did with my parcel and then someone walking past has snatched it.

 

Has anyone successfully pursued Aus Post for compensation?  Was it a nightmare?  Not sure whether to just accept the half refund and move on, or whether to escalate and complain.  We're talking 60 odd dollars here, however it's the principle of the thing.

 

Would be grateful to hear about others who have had a similar experience, or who can offer some advice.

 

 

 

 

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Sellers assistance: a ~2 minute long call that absolved him of any and all responsibility until I pointed out much later on that he never gave me any response specifically relating to the subject of compensation EVER being brought up, then all of a suddenly he injects this into his posts.

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@kidres0 wrote:

Sellers assistance: a ~2 minute long call that absolved him of any and all responsibility until I pointed out much later on that he never gave me any response specifically relating to the subject of compensation EVER being brought up, then all of a suddenly he injects this into his posts.


1. The item is shown as delivered.

2. At that point the seller has no responsibility

3. Compensation from the seller, at this point, is not applicable, so why would they raise the matter.

4. Your problem is with AP and/or your neighbours

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Gone over this other points, but for #3 because it's called 'customer service' and he failed at that badly in the form of half-truths and evading questions specifically relating to his enquiries. He got everything he deserved in the negative, just as you all will when this happens to you as I pray it does!

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@davewil1964 wrote:

1. The item is shown as delivered.

2. At that point the seller has no responsibility

3. Compensation from the seller at this point, is not applicable, so why would they raise the matter.

4. Your problem is with AP and/or your neighbours

 


Dave, that's not the answer the OP wants.      original.gif

 

@kidres.

 

The seller has done all they needed to or could do, the item was delivered to your address, tracking shows that.

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Have you made any effort to read up on AP's rules about non-delivery on their site or are you just stubbornly determined to be right and ignore the FACTS?

In the first place, if you're buying anything worth that much you shouuld have contacted the seller before you bought and offered to pay the extra for a signature AND insurance so they could add it to the listing.

You said the seller made a 2-minute phone call. Who to? If it was to AP it would only result in them being told that as the sender they couldn't follow it up once the item was shown as delivered. What more did you expect them to do? There's absolutely nothing they could do. It's up to you to provide a safe place for it to be delivered, or to pay for extra cover if you needed it.
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I expected him to give a response to the result of his inquiry about compensation and then not to attack me on feedback! The negative was wholly deserved!

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@kidres0 wrote:

I expected him to give a response to the result of his inquiry about compensation and then not to attack me on feedback! The negative was wholly deserved!


He didn't attack you on feedback, if anything you attacked him with what I see as an undeserved neg.

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It isn't a place reserved for such feedback to begin with!

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/help/selling/leaving-feedback-buyers/leaving-feedback-buyers?id=4078

 

"Leaving Feedback for your buyers is a great way to say thank you. We recommend you leave Feedback for your buyers as soon as they've paid – they'll be more likely to leave Feedback quickly for you in return."

 

Maybe you people should be reading some T&C yourselves. It was an attack on me, it's not my fault you don't comprehend the meaning of a 'half-truth'.

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Do you understand the meaning of the word 'recommend'? It means it is neither a T nor a C.

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So right, it's for negatives. Why is there no negative feedback button then, huh? He brought this bad blood on himself for assumptions about me and my motive. Please block me, every seller who feels this way. Don't want to ever accidentally do business with any of you!

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