What to do re missing parcel? Will Australia Post take responsibility, is it worth pursuing?

Hi all, long term eBayer here, mainly a buyer but have also been a seller of odds and ends of my own over the years - this is my first time posting on the boards though as I have a dilemma and I'm not sure how best to proceed.

 

In all my ebaying years I think I only ever had one parcel go missing years ago, and I think in that case the seller sent me a replacement.  More recently I had a bad transaction with a new seller who clearly did not send my item (I think she wasn't happy with the final price she got) and she provided fake tracking numbers and told all sorts of lies in her emails (they were quite funny to read as she kept contradicting herself) so in the end I lodged a claim with Paypal and was able to get a refund.

 

I don't recall ever having one single parcel that I have sent myself as a seller go missing, so here I am for some advice as despite my years of eBay experience, I haven't really had much at all in dealing with missing items.

 

I recently purchased two tops from the same seller who sent them via Express Post.  I purchased and paid for them on Sunday 29/9, then late that week realised that they should have arrived as they were express post.  So, I checked my ebay and saw that the seller had marked the items as posted on the Monday 30/9 and also included a tracking number.

 

I checked the Aus Post Website and it said 'Delivered' and a Suburb name on 1/10.  Now that's where it gets interesting as I have a padlock on my mailbox and nothing but letters can be fit in the slot, so I was actually expecting to receive a collection card from my local PO.

 

So, I sent a message to the seller to re-confim the details, she confirmed that the tracking number was correct, she has a receipt, the item was sent on 30/9, and she also has a pic of the parcel and confirmed correct address.

 

Next step was a trip to my local PO (it was impossible to actually get them on the phone!) and they did a search but had nothing for me.  I then visited the St Kilda DC (which is sometimes where parcels go when they are large) and they also had nothing for me.

 

The seller kindly lodged an enquiry with Aus Post.  Aus Post have now responded with some story that they 'spoke to the postman and he said he remembers delivering it'.  Well, I have a couple of issues with that, the first being how the h*ll he could remember one parcel from 2 weeks ago in a street with heaps of apartments and presumably lots of parcels, and more importantly, this can't be true as I have a lock on my mailbox.

 

So the seller has now suggested I contact Aus Post myself with the case number and see if I can get anywhere. 

 

She also offered me a half refund, but I don't see why either of us should be out of pocket if she has done the right thing and it's Aus Post's stuff up.  I believe that the seller did send the items - so I think Aus Post should be responsible as they have lost it.  However I'm not sure whether it's worth escalating to a complaint - do they even pay compensation?  I'm willing to sign a stat dec to confirm I have not received the parcel. 

 

I paid for the items with paypal, however I think if I made a paypal claim then the seller would be the one out of pocket and that's not fair either.

 

The other reason I am teed off with Aus Post is that the other day I noticed they'd left a small box on top of the brick bank of letterboxes out front of my apartment - I picked it up thinking it was rubbish, but it was a parcel addressed to someone in my building who also has a lock on their mailbox - so the postie just left it sitting on top right on the street for anyone to take.  I wish I'd taken a picture now, perhaps that's what they did with my parcel and then someone walking past has snatched it.

 

Has anyone successfully pursued Aus Post for compensation?  Was it a nightmare?  Not sure whether to just accept the half refund and move on, or whether to escalate and complain.  We're talking 60 odd dollars here, however it's the principle of the thing.

 

Would be grateful to hear about others who have had a similar experience, or who can offer some advice.

 

 

 

 

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The feedback from the seller was factual, not a "negative/positive. It's been pointed out to you by several members that once a parcel shows "delivered" in tracking, the seller cannot do any more in asking AP to act it's out of their hands at that point.

 

So, if anything, your follow-up feedback is unfair with the final statement "seller didn't assist". 

 

 

 

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It is a HALF-TRUTH as has been pointed out to you people time and again! It is a half-truth because the seller knew there was more to the story. He didn't need to write that, but he selected out facts to slant it in a way to incriminate me. He knew I had filed the matter with the police. He knew I was claiming it was either stolen or misdirected. Instead, he posted just the facts to show in his own words what a 'scammer' I was. It was a negative positive.

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Also, the last part about him not assisting me, well that wouldn't be there had he not abused the feature to begin with. It's funny how that works doesn't it? Maybe I will keep it there despite what he writes, maybe it is better to see the avenue he created for me to leave some level of feedback since ebay has otherwise denied me that right to report on my customer experience!

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Also, the last part about him not assisting me, well that wouldn't be there had he not abused the feature to begin with.

 

How did the seller "abuse the feature" ?

 

It's funny how that works doesn't it? Maybe I will keep it there despite what he writes, maybe it is better to see the avenue he created for me to leave some level of feedback since ebay has otherwise denied me that right to report on my customer experience!

 

You have no choice about leaving it there or not, only eBay can change that now. Your statement about eBay denying you the right to report your customer experience makes no sense - if you hadn't abused the feedback system and given the seller cause to ask for the neg to be removed then it would still be there. (Yes, I did see the neg before it was removed and I believe eBay did do the right thing in removing it.) 

 

If anything your follow-up feedback puts you in a worse light than the seller, and if the seller happens to follow that up you could look even worse than ever....................

 

 


 

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The seller leaving me a negative positive (even at the best case of you REPEATEDLY deflecting this it wasn't a positive) for having the item stolen: my fault.

 

Australia Post telling me to get him to contact them so they can explain compensation: my fault.

 

Wanting him to put an absolute minimal amount of effort to trying to secure compensation as I was told REPEATEDLY he is the only one who can: my fault.

 

Asking for specifics about any enquiries on the matter of compensation and getting no response: my fault.

 

Being branded a scammer: my fault.

 

All of which came before I left my factual negative feedback about my customer experience, which ebay wiped after being up for about 2 months (it was there a few days ago).

 

So I find I can counter my negative positive and I DEFEND MYSELF as is my human right: my fault.

 

Countering half-truths: my fault.

 

Buyers can only do wrong here on the Ebay Community. It is all their fault how they are treated. Sellers can do no wrong.

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@kidres0 wrote:

The seller leaving me a negative positive (even at the best case of you REPEATEDLY deflecting this it wasn't a positive) for having the item stolen: my fault.



If you are so certain that the feedback the seller left is a false positive then ask eBay to remove it.

 

I'll await the outcome with baited breath...................

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, I don't think all of the problems are your fault, but some definitely are.

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Like what? What is my fault, huh? And while you're at it, explain to me what part of my old feedback that ebay removed was violating any policies and what specific policies was it violating? Ebay never cared to inform me about the reasons for the feedback removal, which doesn't sound like an above the table thing to do.

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A few more things about the negative positive, if it wasn't intended as a negative then what was it intended as? If it was not intended to try to warn others that I am 'scamming' then what was it intended as? Why did he post it?

 

In actual fact I know why he posted it, because he told me in the dispute. He called me "Mr Scammer" and addressed the ebay overlords who might be reading it requesting it's removal, because he couldn't make it a negative and didn't want to lure in other sellers by accident. The intent is clear without this info, but the info makes it perfectly clear what his intent was with it and that he was never going to assist me because he cleverly assumed I was scamming the system. (As I have said repeatedly to buyers here before, don't bother with insurance {I had basic cover]; they will never fight for money that is not theirs, they certainly won't do it for you!)

 

Here is one of his few feedbacks left for sellers:

"DO NOT BUY!Worst customer service.Parcel lost, seller took no responsibility."

 

It's funny the hypocrisy.

 

He created the ill will, and now I am being villified further by your ilk.

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@kidres0 wrote:

Like what? What is my fault, huh? And while you're at it, explain to me what part of my old feedback that ebay removed was violating any policies and what specific policies was it violating? Ebay never cared to inform me about the reasons for the feedback removal, which doesn't sound like an above the table thing to do.


Obviously eBay saw your neg as violating their feedback policy - it's not for me to explain their decision. Did you ask for it to be reinstated?

 

As for the issues that you claimed were your fault :-

 

The seller leaving me a negative positive (even at the best case of you REPEATEDLY deflecting this it wasn't a positive) for having the item stolen: my fault.

 

It is not a false positive, it was a factual statement by the seller.

 

Australia Post telling me to get him to contact them so they can explain compensation: my fault.

 

AP's fault, they should have known that when a parcel is marked as delivered, it's out of the seller's hands - your problem.

 

Wanting him to put an absolute minimal amount of effort to trying to secure compensation as I was told REPEATEDLY he is the only one who can: my fault.

 

As above.

 

Asking for specifics about any enquiries on the matter of compensation and getting no response: my fault.

 

As above

 

Being branded a scammer: my fault.

 

I don't see anywhere where you were branded a scammer...............

 

All of which came before I left my factual negative feedback about my customer experience, which ebay wiped after being up for about 2 months (it was there a few days ago).

 

You must have violated one or more of eBay's feedback policies.

 

So I find I can counter my negative positive and I DEFEND MYSELF as is my human right: my fault.

 

By saying the seller didn't assist you, when it was completely out of their hands ?

 

Countering half-truths: my fault.

 

What half truths ?

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If you don't know what policy I violated and why it was justified, why did you inform readers of this:

 

"Yes, I did see the neg before it was removed and I believe eBay did do the right thing in removing it."

 

So you admit you have no idea about what policy was violated yet you feel they done the right thing in removing it. So you admit that you just take the sellers side by default. I just wanted to clarify that to the readers out there who thought you might be coming from some point of authority on this matter because clearly you talk out of your...

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