Who to trust?

[banf15]

After recently having lost $300 buying gold ( that turned out to be fake ) from Chinese sellers with their location shown as Australia. Lost because I handed the items over to the police as the fake hallmarks were fraudulent rather than returning them for a refund where they would be sold to some other unsuspecting buyer. I found myself in another situation today.

I had purchased 2 pieces of gold jewellery with rubies and had paid promptly within the hour. Within 24 hrs the seller from Australia emailed me to say the items were in fact gold filled rather than solid gold as they had been described. In fact I was told that eBAy policy allows sellers to use the term solid gold for items that are in fact only gold filled. The seller was afraid that my discovering the items were only gold filled would lead to negative feedback so offered to cancel the sale and refund my money.

There is also the chance that the items are in fact genuine as they were described as having genuine hallmarks. Selling items with fake hallmarks would be a crime....fraud. So perhaps the seller was not happy with the final price and concocted a story to get me to agree to the cancellation.

The end result being nobody selling jewellery on eBay can be trusted, neither eBay nor the seller ( as this most frequent seller had 100% feedback rating). I frequently read about sellers complaints about buyers on this forum and yet we the buyers appear to be the ones constantly being shafted.

[***super_nova***]

And using this garbage about being illegal to post as an excuse to hold onto someone else's property is low act, it would amount to theft if  one gets full refund for it - as that information is not correct.

the OP is not holding onto anybody's property, they handed it over to the police.  The item is now evidence of the seller committing fraud and as such will not very likely be given back.  Just as they would not be getting back item that was stolen.

Counterfeit items should not be returned to the seller, they supposed to be destroyed, and proof provided.  And actually, yes there is a clause that such items are not allowed to be posted. 

So you would want the counterfeit items to be given back to the seller so they can defraud somebody else?   ?:|

[2106greencat]

 I would imagine that police would not have done a report without the OP providing supporting evidence that fraud has been committe

Nova - no need to imagine - you are 100% correct. AFP do not have time to pussy about with little claims of 'fraud or fake' that have not been legally established already.

[jerryman12a]

"And using this garbage about being illegal to post as an excuse to hold onto someone else's property is low act, it would amount to theft if  one gets full refund for it - as that information is not correct."

If you took the time to read member's post properly you should have seen that in the OP's case the item is already with the Police. I doubt he could get it back to get a jewelers report on the item , which may have already been done anyway seeing there appears to be no doubt on the OP's behalf that the item is counterfeit . No need for a Jeweler to get involved if the gold flakes off a bit of lead .

You may also need to familiarize yourself with the fraudulent use of AP postal system if you think it's ok to post Counterfeit products via mail  , in this case I'm sure the Seller would love his piece of fake gold back so he can rip off another person , oh but you forgot the OP actually hasn't got the item anymore anyway.

By your token everyone who has been ripped off by purchasing illegal merchandise should sent the item/s back ?

You'll find the advise given by PayPal will be to destroy the item as it cannot be legally posted through the postal system.

But all that wouldn't matter to you as you obviously support those Sellers out to rip of buyers , or perhaps you have similar interest your trying to protect.

[2106greencat]

I looked and looked and then I finally clicked 'feedback' !

WOW - mind you they are not doing themselves any favours - one look at horrific pic should be enuf to send anyone running - you can almost see the 'edge' on the gold foil :^O

[phorum_junkie*]

Lol, they should have used spray paint instead of a brush, I am sure you can see the brush strikes, it also looks as if they didn't wait to let the paint dry before they took the photo ;-).

Their other item for sale is even more revolting if at least more realistically priced although looking at the postage charge, $20, it almost would have to be made of gold or some even heavier metal to justify the cost :^O

That is the funniest, and most telling, feedback i have seen...............ever!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Yes, ALL of their buyers are now NARU. The words FEEDBACK MANIPULATION scream out at me. They are part of the ring of over 180 Buyers and Sellers that have been active for over 18 months. The OP bought from 3 of their sellers. Every time a seller gets banned they create another new one. There are 6 currently listing their 'solid gold' items. And, the most surprising thing is .... they keep finding people willing to pay. Have a look at that guys sold items....

[Anonymous]

You can probably trust nobody, my interest is AUSTRALIAN PRE DECIMAL COINS..

Seems almost all lots here are from a deceased estate, every body who dies must have a massive stack of these coins.

In the last week I have seen 2 bulk coin items, both with a 1930 penny clearly visable, (value 10,000 to 1mil) The one at the moment is from a bloke who trades in coins (judging by his other items). The possibility of him missing the Holy grail of coin coin collecting is non existant. Nobody will have a 1930 penny in their lot (i would london to brick on that it is a dud).

[rabbitearbandicoot]

There's one born every minute - poor suckers! $521 for a piece of polished brass. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when this stuff arrives..... still, they'll probably be happy with their 'OUTSTANDING MEN'S 18CT SOLID GOLD CHAIN LINK POSH NECKLACE' - if they get it at all.

[***super_nova***]

There's one born every minute - poor suckers! $521 for a piece of polished brass. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when this stuff arrives..... still, they'll probably be happy with their 'OUTSTANDING MEN'S 18CT SOLID GOLD CHAIN LINK POSH NECKLACE' - if they get it at all.

most likely it is one of their soon to be NARU friends; but still, I think the seller needs to be reported by several people