05-01-2015 06:18 PM - edited 05-01-2015 06:20 PM
Another listing for an article of clothing just now where the seller has provided the measurements in inches.
This is Australia, not the USA. We don't think or talk in inches in Australia. Yes, I know that an inch is 2.5cm, but as I was taught - as an Aussie, in an Australian school, to measure and think in cms - why on earth must they do this??!! If the description says "26 inches" - I have to get my calculator out and convert it. So why not use Australian measurements - i.e. cm's???!!
Just another problem with clothing listings on ebay that needs sorting out. Yes as I mentioned in a previous thread, measurements should be mandatory - and when they are inserted into a description, the only accepted measurement should be cm. This is Australian ebay - use cm's.
On an Australian cooking site, would it be irritating if only pounds, and ounces were used for measurements as per the USA - or would we like to not have to convert everything to what we can understand.
So annoying!!!
on 05-01-2015 10:29 PM
Ok though i don't exactly like you as a buyer,i do agree with you on some points.Since i am not currently selling but did sell clothes & since you seem insistent on buying them on ebay,I'll have a brief chat with you.
I agree that at times there is nothing i want to buy in store,all the current trends are ugly ie all camo,floral or whatnot,prices are too expensive for me etc,so i look on ebay.Hypothetical ,since i have wall to wall,floor to ceiling wardrobe & way too much but anyhoo,lets carry on.I can get excellent clothes that i like second hand on eBay at a fraction of the RRP cost.Designer brands,expensive brands.
Sooo,seller has a pretty shiny thing with no measurements.Usually,i do not ask measurements,i just skip as it annoys me to have to ask (true story) & i skip to a seller who lists measurements (tall +large bust & hourglass figure which can be hard to fit with online stuff).
Point is,measurements are important to me & i either ask resentfully or LOOK FOR A BETTER SELLER who has attention to detail & all the rest lose out on my business.
Selling clothes on ebay is a minefield & buyers can be painful.Plenty of sellers so look for the better ones & don't keep posting to punish all of them for your particular wants/needs.
God's beard woman!,ebay sellers do not revolve around you & the good ones will avoid you from your attitude here.Lighten up& be more flexible fgs & adapt to inches if need be.You don't want to spend shop prices so don't be a pain.
on 05-01-2015 11:09 PM
@ginger_ice_cream wrote:Yes it is that big a deal. Hence my OP. Why should an Australian buyer, using Australian ebay have to "take a couple of seconds" to convert USA style measurements?!
Because the seller - for whatever reason - hasn't done it for you, and no amount of stamping of feet (yours or anyone else's) can make them obliged to do it for you.
Would it be more convenient for you if the seller did it for you? No doubt.
Is it wise for a seller to make things as easy as possible for potential buyers? Of course.
But this "people should be made to do things the way I want them to be done" stuff is just... disappointing to see on the buyer's forum.
Again.
on 05-01-2015 11:16 PM
@imastawka wrote:I was taught in school in inches and feet and yards and bushels and pecks
and on and on.
Must be an older seller.
I still think in inches and have to convert it in my mind.
Yes, if they are selling, it should be in cms
I guess I'm an older buyer.....I still think in imperial measurements for some things but not all. Hopefully there's not a seller out there so old that the measurements are in rods, poles or perches (= five and a half yards...just in case I'm the only person who remembers learning that one)
For all things that require measurements, having both metric and imperial is what I find the most handy as it saves me from having to tackle such mental arithmetic. But if the seller also has a tape measure so old that cms isn't on it, then imperial is better than no measurements at all. The OP should have more understanding that not everyone thinks in metric, no matter what the Government has legislated to change.
In my case, for clothing (homemade) I am happy to order fabric in metres but I find myself measuring hemlines in inches. Go figure. Also, in the building world, I was taught that metric measurements used are just metres and millimetres. When I see something in centimetres I find I have to add a zero to get a better idea what size it is.
on 05-01-2015 11:17 PM
As usual bothering to come here to vent descends into inane drivell and nothing but missed points and "I hate you" kindergarten style protests. So, as I buy on ebay and I don't really like you either but I bother to read your responses I'll reply to your brief chat with me.
So, on ebay it's not a real store. You dont just see what you want / need / love and have the change to just get the colour and size necessary.
It's just pot luck to see something you really like. The problem may be, inadequate description. Yes, sometimes I just move on. But that proves my $@$$ point again doesnt it?! Does ebay want to just leave things as they are and people that would have purchased just move on?
More often than not though I take the time to ask about what I need to know in order to make an informed intelligent decision about if this item is what I think it is, and to know if I'm spending my money wisely - that is, that I will be happy with the item, and be able to wear it. If the seller does not answer, I remove the item from my watch list and move on. Usually the seller does answer. I then either buy or dont buy depending on the answer. The amount of times I dont buy as I discover the item won't fit etc etc, proves that the seller is being lazy and not helping potential sellers to make an informed purchase, and ebay is being negligent by not ensuring that a buyer gets all the necessary info in order to get what they pay for, and not end up thinking that ebay is a "minefield" in terms of ending up with junk and stuff that they can't wear.
You could just not ask and "LOOK FOR A BETTER SELLER" but then you might miss out the best thing you've seen on ebay in 5 years just because there is missing bit of info that the seller ought to be providing. Where is this "better seller" that has this same item, in the right size and the right colour, who has the better feedback rating and experience and HAS provided the necessary info that ebay hasnt demanded that they provide? Maybe they are there, maybe this item won't be around again ever? So, I take the time - again - to ask everything necessary to avoid another expensive mistake.
My "particular wants / needs" are simple really. Measurements, fabric, care instructions and Australian measurements on Australian ebay for Australian buyers. But that is too picky and demanding for you and surely I'm only wanting to know these details to "punish all of them". Astounding.
Buyers can be painful? Astounding. How about sellers that sell **bleep** that is damaged, and not as described. Sellers that won't give any information to ensure you know that what they want you buy off them will actually fit you? Sellers that dont communicate? Sellers that have the time to write an essay about their demands from the buyer yet will not say anything more about the item then "Sportsgirl dress, size 10".
Never said sellers revolve around me "woman". I'm simply expressing my frustration to ebay that there needs to be some mandatory details when listing clothing for sale. How is that implying that sellers revolve around me? And how is not wanting to waste my money and trying to make informed decisions to spend or not spend thinking that sellers revolve around me. You sound like a lazy sellers that's had some unhappy customers to me.
And yes the buyer in your opinion is "a pain" for saying that more info should be given. How outrageous to want to know more abot an item when almost no attempt has been made to give the most basic of details. What a pain indeed! I own an Abercrombie and Fitch vest that is tagged "XL" when the reality is it would be lucky to fit a 10 year old child. That is what I am talking about. Measurements should be mandatory. As should other details that you label as "a pain".
I don't want to pay retail prices, but I don't want to buy stuff I cant wear either. In any case should stop being a pain and asking and expecting anything to change, afterall there is now the 'ebay guarantee'. I guess that means I shouldnt bother asking, just demand a full refund from these sellers as the item is not as described. Then I dont lose out, and I'm not a pain that asks questions or expects to know what I'm getting before I bid either. Simple huh? Leave things as they are, and just demand a refund when things arent what you can use or what you expected!
Simple. then there arent any painful buyers who think that the sellers revolve around them. Only smug buyers who just ask for a full refund when the item wasnt as described and they arent happy because the seller wasnt more helpful.
Oh, and go ahead and block me "woman". I dont buy using this account except for rare occasions, my buyers account has a FB score of 957. That's what I mean by I am a savvy and experienced buyer. I've more good than bad experiences, but there are some big problems with ebay from the buyers perspective that ebay ought to be looking into.
Nothing will ever change for the better if the attitude is "dont be a pain" "just buy elsewhere" and "lighten up". And by the way I have never, and doubt I would ever "insist on buying" the clothes you are listing.
on 05-01-2015 11:21 PM
"Would it be more convenient if the seller did it for you?" ... ahh yes.
That is my point.
Again.
Why use American measurements on Australian ebay???
Yes, it would be more convenient. Then I wouldnt have to get out the calculator and convert them. Not that hard, no. But my point is, why use American measurements in Australia. The tape measure lists inches and cms, so why ignore the cms and use the American inches.
So disappointing that raising a good point re problems using ebay is met with the usual "missed points" and just go away and shut ups from the seeming "forum regulars".
Again.
05-01-2015 11:31 PM - edited 05-01-2015 11:36 PM
Yes, your argument now stoops to name calling, insults etc. Says so much about you.
Now I am not only on your BBL but also in your "too hard basket". Where is that feature? Must be a new one?
I'm none of those things.
Im just an honest person, who doesnt like to waste my money. I also don't like not asking questions then expecting the seller to fix things when I'm not happy. And I'm sick of having to ask. That is the only point I'm trying to make. I'm also sick of seeing USA measurements when the seller is Australian and the item is in Australia. But how dare I be so pompous and arrogant to raise these issues in an ebay forum?
If you buy Donna Hay recipe book would you be happy to see she's used American measurements that you then have to convert? I guess you'd think complaining about that would mean you're "a pain" "tedious" and "arrogant".
Grow weary of me. I think that means you've lost the argument.
on 05-01-2015 11:33 PM
Not weary enough to keep coming up with more?
on 05-01-2015 11:37 PM
Ginger - have a little patience here with me for a moment, because I'm going to give a little back story to my previous post, and it might take me a little while to get to my point (though I assure you I do have one).
I make jewellery n' stuff for a living. Being Australian, and growing also being taught the metric system, mm, cm, etc is second nature to me, and thankfully, even in the US, most of the time jewellery component measurements are provided in metric measurements because mm are easier to measue than tiny fractions of inches.
-Except- within the field I chose to specialise in. For some reason only known to Zeus (or Odin, he did drink from the fountain of knowledge afterall, or whomever holds the answer to these great mysteries of life), the main components of my craft are universally measured in inch fractions, even in Australia from Australian suppliers.
Not only that, there are not one but two versions of the other main measurement I have to interpret when I look for these items. So, I have a job that uses a language I need 2 decoder rings for, in a nutshell. I'll be sitting at my computer, get an idea and go "whoah, that could be awesome, let me look up what I'll need for that. 16G7/32's seems about right, hmm, how thick is 0.0008"...oh, wait, are they using AWG or SWG? And what will be the total OD in mm once I find out all the right info and translate that into something I can visualise....oh for the love of criminy, why don't they have a conversion chart on this Odin-forsaken site? and would it kill them to give me some RPI, wait, I mean RPCM stats so I at least have a minute chance of figuring out how much material to buy?"
You get the general idea, hopefully. And after a couple of solid years dealing with these frustrations and the like, my main goal is actually not to try and change other people / industries. It's to get to know this stuff well enough to be able to see these currently, largely indecipherable codes and know straight away what the heck it means. Then I'd truly have something to be proud of, being all self-educated and intuitive n' stuff.
Know why? Cos my energies are better spent improving myself than trying to get other people to act according to my personal wishes.
If something is - supposedly - a really simple expectation to have of others, it's not that much of a stretch to turn it into an expectation of oneself, instead, that way all the worry, angst and anger over other people not doing things you want them to just....disappears.
on 05-01-2015 11:49 PM - last edited on 07-01-2015 12:28 PM by luna-2304
Not a proctologist,can't help you but lord knows i tried.
DG is very patient like buddah,lets see how that goes.
06-01-2015 12:01 AM - edited 06-01-2015 12:02 AM
America has something called The Metric Conversion Act of 1975.
Americans refused to use it, so it has not been adopted.
Sooooo, they should advertise in cms, but they don't