eBay not allowing buyers to cancel items

This has happened to me twice recently.

 

Note: What I mean buy accidentally buying an item is that a second after I press the final confirmation button I no longer want the item.

 

I have tried to close the page as soon as I realise that buying the item was a mistake, but strangely, the order still goes through. On other sites closing the webpage will cancel the transaction.

 

After accidentally ordering an item I have cancelled the item seconds later. Strangely, eBay are now giving sellers the option to reject or to allow buyers to cancel orders. Which I suspect might be breaking consumer laws.

 

1st time this happened to me, I cancelled the order and contacted the seller. The seller admitted that he hadn't posted the item and that he stands to lose nothing by cancelling the order. But, he still decided to post the item because it was to his financial advantage.

On this occasion I decided to let it slip.

 

It happened to me a second time just then. I cancelled the item seconds after I purchased it, I got eBay's message "You are at the mercy of the seller." So what does the seller do? They completely ignore the cancellation reqest and days later, posts the item.

 

So, I contacted eBay live help and they said "on this occasion, we will refund your money." But, they made it clear it's a once off.

And they refused to explain themselves.

 

I am extremely suspicious that eBay is breaking Australian consumer law and as a buyer I think it's outrageous.

I'm also pretty sure that this new rule they have is only a few months old. The previous rule they had gave the buyer 3 days to cancel an order if it was a mistake.

 

I don't really have any questions for the community about this, I'm just making a statement.

 

*If eBay ever refuse to cancel my orders for no good reason I will take it up with CBS.*

 

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@kaibacorp* wrote:

 

So, I will go now and confirm this with paypal. (Could take awhile.)

 

 

 
 

You just need to look at their PDS: https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/ua/cfsgpds-full?country.x=AU#int_18_Fees_and_charges

 

Commercial Transaction refund fee

18.16 If you issue a full refund of the Commercial Transaction payment, we will retain the full fixed fee portion of the Commercial Transaction fee. Your buyer’s account will be credited with the full amount of the Commercial Transaction payment. We will debit your account with the amount initially credited to your account in connection with the Commercial Transaction payment and the full fixed fee portion of the Commercial Transaction fee.

 

The fixed fee is 30c per transaction, regardless of the amount paid, so for every paid transaction the seller cancels (which provides a full refund to the buyer), the seller pays 30c (that is guaranteed, but as mentioned in my previous post, there's no guarantee they haven't incurred other losses). The amount is relatively inconsequential on its own (here, I am just speaking for myself - I won't speak for any other seller on that - or the following - point), hence why I will cancel transactions without issue; I basically consider it a cost of doing business, and just one of those niggling things that I have to contend with (not to mention paying 30c is better than the alternative, which is to say no to someone who probably doesn't even consider the possibility that the seller might say no, by which I mean when most buyers request a cancellation, they are under the impression they are actually sending an instruction, not what effectively boils down to asking for a favour).

 

PayPal will also sometimes flag accounts for issuing refunds, as it happens. They consider it to be transaction issue, which is a seller-problem, if they have to refund a lot, regardless of the reasons for it.

 

Plus, ebay fees are not credited upon cancellation, they are credited when the buyer confirms (via eBay) that they either didn't pay for the item, or that they received a full refund (guess how many people ask to cancel instantly, and then guess how many people never respond to confirm they didn't pay or get a refund? I'll just say it's a lot). If the buyer doesn't do that, the seller has to wait 10 days to be credited, during which time they can be forced to pay the fees if their account becomes due. 

 

And I'm not making these points in defence (or support) of sellers not cancelling transactions, as much as I am making them to illustrate how much more there is to consider from the seller's perspective, and why I keep urging that due diligence be afforded with each purchase. 

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kaibacorp, what eBay chat will tell you is not always correct. eBay chat is outsourced - Customer Service reps fairly low on the CS tower of Babel who reply from scripts. You will get a better standard of eBay CS assistance from the reps available on the Have Us Call You option, but better still is the standard of assistance (in the form of information) from the experienced eBay members who post on the boards.

 

But... give eBay chat staff a chance; ask them, for instance, how to stop Pitney Bowes from charging an illegal import fee on items.

 

eBay have set up automatic crediting (not refunding) of final value fees for cancelled transactions, but there are instances when there have been glitches. There are also particular instances when it's not automatic. (I won't go into those details, but there are threads on the selling boards which illustrate this.)

 

Additionally...

 

Having funds credited is not the same as having funds refunded. Imagine what it would be like if you were told that you would be credited your payment for an item for which you've just requested cancellation. Let's set the scene... It's an expensive item, about $300, and a few seconds after you hit the buy button, you realise that there's GST on top of that, and furthermore, a lightbulb flashes on in your mind and you also realise that it's the wrong colour, the wrong size, the wrong something.

 

You immediately request a cancellation. It's granted. "Great!" you think. You go on looking through the listings for an item that doesn't have GST added to it, and is the right colour/size/whatever. Finally you have found it - the perfect item for your needs. Secure in the knowledge that you've been refunded, you purchase the item All seems well.

 

But five days later, the rates are due. By paying by that date, you'll also get a significant discount. You make the payment (knowing you have sufficient funds because you'll have been refunded). Alas! The payment does NOT go through! Befuddled, you pull up your account details. No record of a refund. The clock's ticking; if you want that substantial discount for your rates, you have to get your payment in before end of business that day. You ring eBay. You're put on hold. You're transferred. Your call is dropped. You ring again. You get the runaround. One person is telling you that you should have received it and you should check your PayPal account balance. Another one says check your card. You have; this is frustrating you. You say again and again that you haven't got your refund. It's getting you no answers. Finally, after 2 hours on the phone (a not unusual length of time to be kicked around by eBay CS on the phone), you get an answer - but by this time it's 6 pm and too late. Even if it weren't too late, it doesn't matter, becasue... ta-da... you haven't been given a refund, but eBay now gives buyers who change their minds post-sale a CREDIT, not a REFUND.

 

The helpful CS rep tells you cheerily that you can use this credit for your next eBay purchase - but what good is that to you if you decide you never want to buy anything from eBay ever again? What good is that to you if you need to pay a bill now? The credit is non-transferrable...

 

Now... do you see how sellers, especially hobby sellers or occasional sellers, can be grossly inconvenienced by buyer cancellations? They still have to pay the final value fees for the cancelled sale (if I understand correctly that the credit goes into the next billing cycle; someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

 

Please note that contrary to the above one-act drama, buyers do actually receive refunds.

 

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buyers do actually receive refunds.

 

However, if the payment was funded with a credit card, the refund will go to the card. Which will usually take several days.

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@kaibacorp* wrote:

"how is it that one second you want an item badly enough that you hit the final confirm button and then one second later you don't want the item?  My brain doesn't work that fast."

You can list it as an accidental mouseclick. Trust me, sometimes it does happen. It's happened to me twice over a period of a year on eBay. Could be automatic reflex as well. My point is, it does happen.

 


 

but buying is a two step process.  What you are saying is that the second step is due to an accidental mouse click . OR automatic reflex . . . . . . so why bother with the first click for first step?

 

Without the first step there is no second step. If you do happen to click the 'Buy-Now' button and decide you do not want the item then the time to close your browser window is immediately . . . . . do not leave the final confirm screen as an active screen.  Closing the screen is not achieved by hovering your pointer over the confirm button . . . . . in fact, last time I looked the close screen button is nowhere near the confirm button. 

 

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Accidental mouse click? Really? 3 accidental mouse clicks to buy and then pay for something? Give me a break. It's a 3 step process to buy and pay for something. You really have to stop allowing your goldfish access to your eBay account. Those damned fish can buy all sorts of things without your knowledge.

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Topic is solved

 

It seems wide-world-of-stamps was the first one to point out specifically:

"Also, if you have paid through Paypal, the seller is charged a non-refundable fee for every transaction."

 

It turned out that it true. Paypal do indeed charge a non-refundable fee to sellers.

Thus, sellers are losing out if buyers change their minds/make a mistake or whatever.

 

I accept that and if it happens in the future, and if the seller doesn't want to cancel the order. i will have no issues with it. 🙂

 

I gave a kudos to digital*ghost as well for providing the evidence that Paypal charge a non-refundable fee.

And I agreed with the comments he made.

 

Thanks guys and girls for the help. 🙂

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So you're basically saying that if 100% of sellers tell you something you won't consider, on the balance of probabilities, they might be correct? Instead you will use, and report, a 10 step process to ascertain that, indeed, they were correct?

 

So we have now established that your initial rant was based on false premises.

 

d*g is a girl, btw.

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I give you every credit for being willing and able to take on board a new position. (It might have been a case of highways and byways, but that certainly gave it some interesting twists.)

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@kaibacorp* wrote:

 

I accept that and if it happens in the future, and if the seller doesn't want to cancel the order. i will have no issues with it. 🙂

 



if it happens in the future . . . . . surely not!

Use your watch list more wisely and learn how to use the cart feature so this never happens again.
You do not need to hit the Buy-Now button unless you know that you want to buy.  Changing your mind within seconds of confirming is just not acceptable . . . . . accidental mouse clicking . . . . . maybe once, but not multiple times . . . . . accidental reflex action, seek medical advice.
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@kaibacorp* wrote:

 

*If eBay ever refuse to cancel my orders for no good reason I will take it up with CBS.*

 


 

thanks for letting me know that CBS is Consumer and Business Services in South Australia.

 

They have a good website with some good advice and resources . . . . . like this one:

The savvy consumer booklet – CBS news

https://www.cbs.sa.gov.au/the-savvy-consumer/

 

If you download the booklet you will find information about SA consumer rights, including returns/refunds.  Here is a screengrab from that booklet:

 

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Looks like a complaint about eBay not allowing a buyer to cancel seconds after buying due to change of mind would not warrant a refund/cancellation after all.

 

Another thing to consider is that under the terms of use of eBay that you agreed to in the User Agreement when you joined eBay you agree that eBay operates under the jurisdiction of NSW laws . . . . . meaning that NSW consumer law would most likely be the one that would apply . . . . . and I doubt your complaint about not being able to cancel would hold up there either. 

 

Spoiler
I thought these points needed to be added to this thread even though kaiba appears to have softened his view somewhat.

 

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