on โ18-04-2017 04:09 PM
Malcolm Turnbull has announced he is abolishing the 457 visa program for skilled migrants.
The prime minister said Australia was a successful multicultural "immigration nation" but it was time to put Australians first.
"The fact remains Australian workers must have priority for Australian jobs," he said in a video posted to Facebook on Tuesday.
"We will no longer allow 457 visas to be passports to jobs that could and should go to Australians."
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten slammed the plan via Twitter.
"Make no mistake, the only job Malcolm Turnbull cares about saving is his own," he wrote.
And One Nation leader Pauline Hanson took some credit for the policy change.
"The government will deny their tough talk on immigration and plan to ban 457 visas is because of One Nation but we all know the truth!" the senator tweeted.
Mr Turnbull later told reporters in Canberra Mr Shorten, as employment minister in a Labor government, was the gold medal winner of issuing 457 visas.
But is it really just a new name for the same thing?
on โ20-04-2017 06:22 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:Scientists fear 457 visa changes will hinder research; universities seeking urgent clarification
i wonder if malcolm ever actually thinks before opening his mouth these days?
tony goes feral on the weekend and within a couple of days malcolms out anouncing stuff that once you look past the 'more jobs for aussies' slogan you realise its not just pizza delivery guys comming in on these visas.
and if there are pizza dilvery guys or anyother silly jobs comming in on visas of course that needs stopping, but lets not crack an almond with a sledghammer huh.
I havnt looked into the Libs plan much, but from what I have seen its just more politics and spin, rather than really addressing a genuine problem.
We live in an area of very high youth unemployment yet OUR LOCAL FISH & CHIP SHOP employs 457 visa workers to cook fish & chips. ........Whats that all about ??????
There are occasions where the 457 visa scheme has genuine merit ( think doctors in rural and remote areas etc. ) , but like most things it has just been used and abused by wealthy big business and savvy backdoor imigrants. The big losers are Australias young people who are under employed and no longer being offered traineeships and apprenticships. Its just another part of the mess that succesive governments have made of Australian employment policy.
on โ20-04-2017 06:41 PM
exactly, fast food outlets do not need to be bringing in foreign staff, didnt need a complete overhaul of the system to mahe silly things like that stop.
we have now had lib/nat in power for how many years and suddenly, we must throw this whole visa 457 system out and creat a whole lot of new rules that will take i suspect if not years many months for all areas who were using 457 visas to figure out.
and at what cost? shredding how much documents and printing and distributing a whole lot of new documents.
couldnt the govt just say, use the same forms but heck, dont try getting fast food staff in on them.
on โ20-04-2017 06:51 PM
on โ20-04-2017 08:04 PM
@lyndal1838 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:oh, btw...heard malcolm interviewed on radio this morning about this 'new?' plan, just how many times can he say 'jobs for australians' in one interview without taking a breath?
He is only following the example of his new best friend Donald Trump who wants to make everything about America/Americans.
And there's something wrong with that?
on โ20-04-2017 09:51 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@lyndal1838 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:oh, btw...heard malcolm interviewed on radio this morning about this 'new?' plan, just how many times can he say 'jobs for australians' in one interview without taking a breath?
He is only following the example of his new best friend Donald Trump who wants to make everything about America/Americans.
And there's something wrong with that?
Did I say there was something wrong with it?
on โ20-04-2017 10:09 PM
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Well they do because what local wants to work for $11 per hour. Besides how can they pay off the mortgage on their Hunters Hill mcmansion if they have to pay the award rate.
it shouldnt matter where a person comes from, local or brought in from another country, they have to be paid the same rate and if they are not then the employer is a criminal and should be prosecuted.
on โ20-04-2017 11:40 PM
The average Aussie wants, expects even, to be paid more than award wages.
on โ21-04-2017 09:38 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:The average Aussie wants, expects even, to be paid more than award wages.
i would imagine living on an 'award wage' is pretty difficult so wanting to be paid more is just a very natural thing. i have heard the argument that some people would rather live on the dole because there is not a huge advantage getting a job money wise.
maybe the award wage needs a lift?
but what we usually see is the poor person who is not so dumb as to understand taking a basic wage job actually leaves them worse off than when they were on benifits.
then i hear the shouts, so take the benifits away! yes that'll fix the problem....NOT.
what i believe the average aussie wants is a job that pays a wage that makes their life better than being on benifits.
on โ21-04-2017 10:22 AM
@lyndal1838 wrote:The average Aussie wants, expects even, to be paid more than award wages.
The local unemployed kids would be happy to work for the minimum award wage at our local fish & chippery, but cant get a regular job there as these are given to 457 visa workers. The shop uses local kids ( including two of mine for awhile ) as casuals to fill in at the busy times, but 457,s for the longer term work. It just seems crazy to me.
The only reason I can see for it is the manager is a 'Pom" and maybe wants to help other British people gain residency. But that is not the purpose of the 457 visa system, so basically a rort and abuse of Australias, stupid, poorly thought out, visa and immigration laws. This is jusat a tiny micro-cosim of abuses happening all around the country.
โ21-04-2017 10:49 AM - edited โ21-04-2017 10:52 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:
@lyndal1838 wrote:The average Aussie wants, expects even, to be paid more than award wages.
i would imagine living on an 'award wage' is pretty difficult so wanting to be paid more is just a very natural thing. i have heard the argument that some people would rather live on the dole because there is not a huge advantage getting a job money wise.
maybe the award wage needs a lift?
but what we usually see is the poor person who is not so dumb as to understand taking a basic wage job actually leaves them worse off than when they were on benifits.
then i hear the shouts, so take the benifits away! yes that'll fix the problem....NOT.
what i believe the average aussie wants is a job that pays a wage that makes their life better than being on benifits.
What we want and what we deserve are two different things. I want a million dollars per week wages............. doesnt mean I deserve it or that it is gonna happen........
The trouble is Australian workers in general are simply not earning their keep compared to other countries. We have this wealthy, fantastic life style with huge houses, nice cars, overseas travel etc. but a lot of it is built on past wealth from basic commodities such as mining and agricultural produce.
The wealth from these basic products has in the past been distributed to a relatively small population. As we have increased our population through immigration ( to keep the construction lobby " read mates" happy ) and major companies have become more savvy at transferring wealth to low tax OS havens, we can no longer bludge off our intrinsic national wealth. We actually have to earn our wage now. Competition from workers in other low wage countries is compounding the problem.
The result is we have gone on a debt binge to maintain the lifestyle we have become accustomed too. Basic ecenomics says it simply cant keep going. We are either going to have higher unemployment or workers will have to accept lower wages and falling standards of living.
The only other option is to be more highly inovative than our competition OS, but they are all trying to do that too and they have a bigger population base to develop innovative ideas. Our education system is a mess so that wont help us and the focus on most students completing tertiary education at the expense of apprenticeships and vocational training is further damaging a broken system.
Some of our wealth is tied up by a very small section of the population and re-distribution of that wealth ( an egalitarian Labor utopia ) would help in a small way to alleviate the problem, but the wealthy have much smarter accountants and lawyers than the government, so keep dreaming on that one people.
I know people dont want to hear it, but we have been living beyond our means for too long and the chickens are starting to come home to roost. The only way I can see all of this ending is for Australian workers ( and unemployed ) standards of living to fall over time. ie. Lower wages, government benefits and consumption.
Polish your guns people and shoot the messenger................