on โ16-07-2015 08:27 AM
Alan Jones is vehemently opposed to the Shenhua Watermark coalmine which was given approval last week to go ahead.
The government announced the plam approval whilst Jones was out of the country and the east coast was distracted by State of Origin footy fever.
Please vote in the poll. I think it is open until 9am est.
http://www.2gb.com/poll/poll-shenhua-mine
thanks
on โ16-07-2015 07:15 PM
As Pimpy lives at Breeza and has local knowledge I'm fairly sure she is not unaware of the studies and is not a "knee jerker".
There are people qualified to judge the science and share the facts with concerned people. The ridges are part of the Plains ecology and people are rightly concerned about their futures and the future of the area..
โ16-07-2015 07:55 PM - edited โ16-07-2015 07:57 PM
Oh gosh "near prime agricultural land" How near is near?
Well, since you couldn't be bothered doing some research (sorry), I did it for you.
I'd say this picture speaks a thousand words about how near is near.
How about, "near" = slap bang in the middle of prime agricultural land?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-09/shenhua-watermark-coal-explainer/6607142
on โ17-07-2015 12:12 AM
we don't need no stinkin' water to drink!
we don't need no stinkin' food to eat!
we will eat coal and breathe fumes you wusso!
on โ17-07-2015 09:55 AM
To make the final determination on the $1.7 billion mine, Baird must wade through the myths and emotion on both sides to ascertain whether this mammoth mine will disrupt the fragile aquifer ecosystem that lies beneath the Liverpool Plains and gives it life.
And the myths are many.
The suggestion that Shenhua is mining a ridge โhigh up in the hillsโ โ as has been ยญespoused by Prime Minister Tony Abbott โ is one such myth. The high point of the โridgeโ that Shenhua wants to mine is merely 40 metres higher than flood plain. And itโs hardly a ridge, more a peninsula that sticks its neck out onto the floodplain.
And once that 40 metres is put on a slow boat to Shanghai, they are still going to go down a further 260 metres.
The suggestion that Shenhuaโs territory is all ridge country and no black soil is also a myth.
It is only officially ยญdeclared ridge country because disgraced former planning minister Chris Hartcher changed the definition of flood plain so Shenhua could include some of the black soil in its mine site (albeit for the purpose of using those propertiesโ water licences).
Over Andrew Pursehouseโs back fence, across a little river, black soil stares back at you. Some 1000 acres (404.6ha) of it โ rich, vibrant and as moist as a slushy. And now owned by Shenhua after it signed a cheque for $6 million.
And then there is the real issue: the water.
It is what Mike Baird is hanging his hat on.
At the NSW Farmersโ ยญannual conference earlier this week, the Premier reiterated the belief of experts who claim the mineโs impact on the aquifers under the Liverpool Plains would be negligible.
Negligible was perhaps a poor choice of words for the Premier to use.
Unquantifiable, maybe. Unknown, more precise.
Because the reality is the ยญIndependent Expert Scientific Committee determined in its final report on Shenhua Watermark that damaging the life-giving water ecosystem was an โunassessed riskโ; given the connectivity between coal seams and the sporadic underground aquifers remains somewhat of a mystery.
This vast water source โ a mass of water-bearing gravel that lies in various depths under the plains, from 20m in depth to around 70m, and stops just 900m short of Shenhuaโs eastern pit โ is fragile, ebbing and flowing, up and down with the gentle shifts of the flood plain above.
Itโs about to be hit with the shockwaves of five explosions a day. For 30 years.
Sitting across the plains up on the mountain range is Whitehavenโs Werris Creek coal mine. It was given the go-ahead to dig two-and-a-half million tonnes of coal out of the ground under strict conditions because of the aquifers that lie 400m away.
Last week, one of those ยญaquifers was pierced, an ecosystem was altered forever, and a handful of neighbouring farmers lost their water source to irrigate their crops, ensuring the value of their property risks being halved.
It was akin to pulling the plug out on the bath water. Gone. Forever.
The scientific reports said it would never happen.
Hardly negligible.
It's not worth the risk. Not for Australian interests and probably not even for the Chinese Government-owned mine. Fiona Simpson, President of the NSW Farmer's Association made the point that the coal they're mining for is not even high-grade coal and that the company would get a much better ROI if they used the land for agricultural purposes.
on โ17-07-2015 10:12 AM
Sitting across the plains up on the mountain range is Whitehavenโs Werris Creek coal mine.
Which used to be one of Tony Windsor's properties.
"In 2010, Mr Windsor sold his 376ha family property Cintra to Werris Creek Coal, owned by Whitehaven Coal, for $4.625 million."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/millionaire-ex-mp-tony-windsor-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-c...
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It was given the go-ahead to dig two-and-a-half million tonnes of coal out of the ground under strict conditions because of the aquifers that lie 400m away.
Last week, one of those ยญaquifers was pierced, an ecosystem was altered forever, and a handful of neighbouring farmers lost their water source to irrigate their crops, ensuring the value of their property risks being halved.
It was akin to pulling the plug out on the bath water. Gone. Forever.
The scientific reports said it would never happen.
Hardly negligible.
on โ17-07-2015 11:15 AM
that article contradicts itself, it calls him hypocritical but then goes on to say
The farmer has no right over their land, if in fact a natural resource is found,โโ he told Radio 2GB.
โOn a small portion of some country that we owned, it was found.
โThey wanted to mine. If in fact push came to shove they would have mined it through the Land and Environment Court. Thereโs a process that overrides the land holders.
Mr Windsor has consistently said he is not anti-mining but has opposed the rapid rollout of CSG.
it was thanks to Tony Windsor's work that a 'water trigger " bill even exists
http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/water-trigger-bill-passes-the-senate
newscorp are just trying to do a hatchet job on him because Joyce is scared of losing his seat
โ17-07-2015 12:22 PM - edited โ17-07-2015 12:23 PM
@debra9275 wrote:that article contradicts itself, it calls him hypocritical but then goes on to say
The farmer has no right over their land, if in fact a natural resource is found,โโ he told Radio 2GB.
โOn a small portion of some country that we owned, it was found.
โThey wanted to mine. If in fact push came to shove they would have mined it through the Land and Environment Court. Thereโs a process that overrides the land holders.
Mr Windsor has consistently said he is not anti-mining but has opposed the rapid rollout of CSG.
it was thanks to Tony Windsor's work that a 'water trigger " bill even exists
http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/water-trigger-bill-passes-the-senate
newscorp are just trying to do a hatchet job on him because Joyce is scared of losing his seat
Mr Joyce has also always maintained that he is not anti-mining, but mining should be excluded from fertile agricultual areas. There are other areas that can be mined but mining companies prefer to mine in areas with existing infrastructure. So they don't have to build roads and ports. Like Gina Rhinehart had to.
Never mind poor old Tony Windsor, Mr Joyce is getting the pointy of the hatchet job himself, judging by some of the media comments I've seen.
Actually if push comes to shove as Mr Windsor says, then there's no stopping Shenhua as they are the landholders and there are proven natural resources under their land.
All those tons of coal they will be digging up are tons of coal Australia will not exporting.
Thank you Labor.
on โ17-07-2015 12:28 PM
wow check this out today from the Daily telegraph
DESPITE vowing to protect agricultural land from mining in the lead-up to the 2011 state election, the National Party was actively lobbying behind the scenes for the Shenhua Watermark coal mine to be given swift approval.
An email obtained by The Daily Telegraph shows former deputy premier and Nationals leader Andrew Stoner viewed the controversial $1.7 billion mine as a project of state significance and wanted environmental approval given, even before a critical water study was received.
The email โ sent on May 25, 2011, by one of Mr Stonerโs staffers โ urged then Primary Industries head Richard Sheldrake to lobby then planning minister Brad Hazzard to fast-track the process.
Copied into the email was Tim Koelma, a Liberal government policy adviser who the Independent Commission Against Corruption heard allegedly received bribes on behalf of disgraced former minister Chris Hartcher.
The Daily Telegraph has been told the email was ordered by Mr Stoner after he met Mr Hartcher to discuss the project, to be built near the rich farming land of the Liverpool Plains, south of Gunnedah.
โCan it please include the following โฆ that the EA process should not be held up by the yet to be completed Namoi Water Study โฆ that the Deputy Premier believes the project is of state significant (sic) and is a high priority and โฆ should be progressed along the assessment path as quickly as possible,โ the email reads.
It was sent just after the Coalition seized power in NSW, with the Nationals trumpeting their commitment to โidentify strategic agricultural land and associated water and ensure that it is protected from the impacts of developmentโโ
NSW Nationals Leader and Deputy Premier Troy Grant told The Telegraph he had personally ensured more rigour was applied to the environmental modelling.
โPotential impacts to land and water, which have been raised with me, have cleared every independent and scientific assessment to date,โโ he said.
The Abbott government last week granted Shenhua conditional federal approval to progress the mine, which not only juts up against the Liverpool Plains โ some of the worldโs most fertile agricultural lands โ but puts the regionโs underground water source at risk.
on โ17-07-2015 12:40 PM
much as you would prefer to just blame labor for it...you can't
they are all implicit in this,... labor for intitally granting the exploration license, the LNP fo renewing the licence, and the nationals for pursuing it
on โ17-07-2015 12:48 PM
@debra9275 wrote:much as you would prefer to just blame labor for it...you can't
they are all implicit in this,... labor for intitally granting the exploration license, the LNP fo renewing the licence, and the nationals for pursuing it
Then why is Mr Joyce getting the hatchet job? He's the only one with the guts to get up and speak out against the party line. Now they're trying to blackmail him by saying oh he can't be in line for deputy prime minister if he speaks against the PM. Or oh he's a xenphobe. In fact Mr Joyce has a Chinese Brother and Sister in law.
They all have their grubby fingerprints on it and neither party reperesents the will of the people or is fit to be at the helm of this country.
What's more, there's no-one else even on the horizon that can take on the multinationals and govern in the interests of this country.