Alan Jones is vehemently opposed to the Shenhua Watermark coalmine which was given approval last week to go ahead.
The government announced the plam approval whilst Jones was out of the country and the east coast was distracted by State of Origin footy fever.
Please vote in the poll. I think it is open until 9am est.
http://www.2gb.com/poll/poll-shenhua-mine
thanks
@monman12 wrote:"..........I am curious as to where the geological maps were sourced and how recent they are? What do the rest of the letters signify?
There is some questionable rock formation that is being kept quiet. It's akin to asbestos type rock. The reports that this appears in are not being made public despite requests.
There is so much shonky stuff associated with this mine proposal........"
I think that geological data that stems from the Paleozoic Era (350 million years ago) would hardly be worth being called into question today !
The source? (does no one bother to research?) is Geoscience Australia The map legend ? perhaps the link is worthy of actual personal access/research !
Reports of "asbestos type rock" (where?) being suppressed, really? Why not just grab a few of these "rocks" and produce them, or check with the current lessee farmers of the proposed mine site.
"There is so much shonky stuff associated with this mine opposition.
One bad apple (shonky) suggestion, completely negates a whole barrel of opposition, even though this opposition would appear to be based on knee jerk rhetoric. rather than science/facts.
thanks.
I showed hubby the map, he said he'd love to own some of that ground you and the map have deemed infertile rock.
I'll try and take some pics when I get some time, of the crops currently growing on that ground.
I'm sorry , I can't produce the reports of this asbestos type rock. As I said, it's being withheld. My neighbours were 'employed' by Shenhua to search the proposed mine site for aboriginal artifacts. Thing is, the residents who are leasing the shenhua property were told to lock their gates and not let anyone on the land. Makes it hard to make a proper assessment and catalogue when you're not allowed on the land.
As for kneejerk, hmmm yes perhaps to a degree, but it is a reaction that I believe is warranted. The damage this mine will do cannot be undone. Productive farmland has already been bought by the mine. It's not on the flat plains but it was still productive land that will now be removed from our food production.
The damage to the health of the people near the mine site and all along the rail corridor will cost the country millions in healthcare.
I'm trying to stick to the facts as I know them. The submissions by health professionals, ecologists, economists were all available on the govt website. Honestly, anyone that read or heard these submissions would be horrified that this mine was ever even given an exploration lease. John, you seem caught up on the wording of "prime farmland" and "plains". Perhaps you should come and see for yourself. The mine site is in the middle of the plains. Some of it is ridge country but some of that hill country is (or was)
cropped. The local farmers would be more than happy to show you (or anyone) around.
"Monman, when you look closely at the picture you posted , what do you suppose all those variously coloured but clearly delineated rectangles represent?"
Do you think they might, just possibly, maybe, represent some sort of agricultural feature, and if so, could you please hazard an opinion about what they might represent?
Your answer is eagerly awaited.
(edit: my post is in reply to Monman, not you, Icy)
I am not avoiding answering, I just thought it pointless, because my main point is being avoided, or not understood which is that many reports of opposition to the mine "deliberately" insinuate that the mine is within the alluvial plain area, using the favoured term "prime agricultural land".
""Monman, when you look closely at the picture you posted , what do you suppose all those variously coloured but clearly delineated rectangles represent?"
Do you think they might, just possibly, maybe, represent some sort of agricultural feature, and if so, could you please hazard an opinion about what they might represent?"
Do you mean the green rectangular areas in the alluvial plains area?
The mine is to be in the triangular area that is certainly not "prime", and actually now mostly belongs to Shenhua, why did the farmers sell?
I f anyone wishes to oppose a project use science/facts, not conjecture, or better still present ACTUAL examples of similar enterprises, try BHP's Mt Arthur Coal Mine , that has been in operation for some years and received similar (unresearched opposition)
The last audit I read had this little excerpt:
The surface water specialist reviewed the construction and compared this with the
commitments and the geography associated with the alluvial areas and potential
flooding. The wall was deemed satisfactory with respect to containing/limiting flooding
both into and out of the open cut pit.
The groundwater specialist reviewed the historical trends of the wells within the alluvium
most likely to have been impacted by the mining activities taking into account the current
location of the open cut. The groundwater specialist concluded that there had been no
significant impact to the alluvial aquifers that could be differentiated from the background
fluctuation due to climate.
I also noted (with a chuckle😞
Community Complaints were analysed to asses any clear trends in the communities
perception of issues at Mt Arthur Coal. Over the audit period, Noise and vibration (not
blasting vibration) were the issues most complained about by the community. These
results are skewed by a high number of complaints from a small number of community
members.
Fact/research I will listen to, but knee jerks are just that.
@monman12 wrote:"Monman 12, can you please explain to me what benefit Australia and Australian peole will have from a foreign company mining on our soil?"
I could attempt to do so, but do not have the energy at the moment, as I research my answers and those of others, and often have to prove that some statements are without foundation whatsoever e.g. "No mine in Australian History has ever even attempted to rehabilitate the soil. It's unlikely this one will either."
If you actually are interested L9650 there is a feast of material "out there" try: ABS, RBA, Trading Economics, oh and of course Australia mining capital investment. Or better still you tell me what your views are (backed by facts).
IF: "Also Monno...do you perchance have shares in this mining outfit?" Are you really interested IF???
Why would I? I would have to buy via my stockbroker a foreign stock (extra charges) from the HK exchange, it would be a poor investment, and any return would not attract franking credits. I do doubt if that was a genuine question anyway !
If (?) you are interested, here is the share price history of my favourite bank (CBA) and China Shenhua Energy Co Ltd1088:HK (CBA is +)
Yes, monman, I am really interested to know of any benefits Australian people will have by this mining Company.
Sorry to ask just for a simple answer in plain words so an idiot like me can understand.
Firstly, research is hard for me as english is not my first language, secondly I am nearly 80 years old and half blind. I can only read in short bursts.
But seeing that you are so determined to prove everyone wrong, Please just explain what will be so good about the Shenoah Mine.
Erica
Firstly, research is hard for me as english is not my first language
wow i would have never guessed.
your english seems excellent. 
what language do you speak at home?
have you not been here long?
