And so now he's gone....bye bye Novax

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Novak Djokovic has lost a bid to stay in Australia after the Federal Court upheld the government's decision to cancel the tennis star's visa.

 

The Federal Court hearing, expedited to take place the day before the Australian Open begins, is the culmination of a weeks-long saga over the Serb's visa.

 

The men's world number one arrived in Australia just before midnight on January 5, had his visa cancelled by Border Force officials shortly after, then had it reinstated by a Federal Circuit Court judge in a hearing last Monday.

 

Late on Friday, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke cancelled Djokovic's visa for a second time, citing "health and good order grounds".

 

Djokovic's lawyer's disputed that decision, taking it to court for judicial review.

 

The full bench of the federal court this evening ruled against Djokovic.

 

In the Federal Court today, Djokovic's lawyers accused the minister of producing no evidence to back his claim that Djokovic's presence in Australia would incite anti-vaccination sentiment. They also argued it was irrational, illogical or unreasonable for the minister not to consider that deporting Djokovic could whip up the same sentiment.

 

Djokovic's lawyer Nick Wood said Mr Hawke had misinterpreted media reports about Djokovic's views on vaccination, and the level of support he receives from anti-vaccination groups.

He was particularly critical of the minister's reliance on a BBC article as evidence Djokovic opposed vaccines. He argued the article was written before vaccines were available, and it actually showed Djokovic had an open mind and did not believe himself to be an expert. He criticised the minister's failure to ask Djokovic himself about his views.

 

But the minister's legal team argued there was ample evidence of Djokovic's "well-known stance" on vaccination — including the fact he had refused to get vaccinated himself – and that the minister had no obligation to ask Djokovic about his views.

 

They said Djokovic could not prove the minister had not considered the possibility that deporting him could also stir up anti-vaccination sentiment, and even if he did not consider that outcome, that would not amount to an error on his part.

 

Federal Court rules on Novak Djokovic's legal fight against visa cancellation (msn.com)

 

Will they keep him out for the three years?

 

Personally, I applaud the decision.

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maybe the jab would fix that blink you call a *wink*. Been happening a bit lately, maybe there is a cause for that

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I'll address only a few point in this post. (I have a tendency to stuff too much into a single post.)

 

Vaccinated people spread the virus too - yes. No argument there. It's particularly the case with the Omicron variant. Lord, it's so transmissible!

 

However, the risk of becoming infected is lower with being fully vaccinated, and even more it's the risk of a severe infection that heightens infectivity that is lowered with being fully vaccinated. The risk of the virus replicating rapidly and severely within the cells is lower with being fully vaccinated. When combined with wearing P2 masks, washing one's hands and maintaining social distancing, the risk of spreading the virus is very effectively reduced.

 

It's not reduced to zero. I wish it were.

 

The more people who spread the virus within the wider community, the more chance there is of an immunocompromised person / vulnerable person / genetically susceptible person / person with comorbidities / obese person / person over 70 / person unable to tolerate any of the vaccines for very strong medical reasons / person whose immune system is not able to be stimulated to mount an immune response becoming infected. They are the ones most at risk, and we owe it to every single person to mitigate the unavoidable risks to their health and life.

 

If every possible person who could be vaccinated against this virus were fully vaccinated, and if we maintained mask-wearing and social distancing and hand hygiene, it's entirely feasible that we could completely eliminate the virus. I say "feasible"... but that doesn't take into account variability of human behaviour. It's our own behaviour as a species, as a people, globally and locally, that will prevent that from happening.

 

Talking about "medical apartheid" is just mouthing political nonsense. If you're infected with an infectious disease that could kill others, in you go to quarantine. If you saw a plague victim lurching towards you, try convincing me that you would hug that plague victim, kiss their buboes, invite them to stay with you, praise their refusal to be quarantined, let them play with your children, let them bleed onto and stand next to your wife.

 

The plague-carrier refusing to go into quarantine and refusing not to dribble upon you would be a knee-jerk reaction? Perhaps so. In the sense, that is, of his knee perhaps jerking from illness-induced spasms.

 

Novak Djokavic made an "informed decision"? No. I really don't need to expand on that, other than to say I am more persuaded than not that he participated in a conspiracy to enter Australia contrary to its public health/visa requirements and with the intention of doing so fraudulently with falsified paperwork and statements that contained untruths.

 

 

 

And... of course you don't know my qualifications. It would be inappropriate to post them, and it is always wise to entertain a degree of caution when someone on a forum claims to be Professor of This, Inventor of That, VSD(E). That's why any of our robust discussions use references to published works rather than "The Study I'm Doing Right Now" or "My Own Research" or even "That To Which I Was Referred By His Eminence Mr Google". But at least we are able to exchange views, and that has its own value.

 

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You know very well countessalmirena that when I said "Medical apartheid"  I wasn't referring to the commonsense  below ...

 

If you're infected with an infectious disease that could kill others, in you go to quarantine. If you saw a plague victim lurching towards you, try convincing me that you would hug that plague victim, kiss their buboes, invite them to stay with you, praise their refusal to be quarantined, let them play with your children, let them bleed onto and stand next to your wife.

 

I was talking about people being denied employment, travel, entry to venues if they do not have proof of vaccination. Did you know that forced vaccination either by decree or proxy has resulted in despair,  suicides, mental break down, self-harm, alcohol and drug abuse? Do you know of the two cases in Vic where a man and a woman torched themselves? Do you know about the building contractor who jumped off of a building? I believe he was of Italian or Sicilian descent.

 

The truth be known, vaccinated people may be part of the cause down the track for a super bug. well respected doctors, professor etc. have said that vaccination during a pandemic is a bad route to travel!

 

And again, medical apartheid doesn't refer to social distancing, isolation, even lock-down. It refers to deemed status defined by someone's medical history.  This has been likened to what Hitler did all those years ago.

 

Could it be that Mr. Djokovic has made a stance against what many view to be tyranny?

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Given the fact that huge corporations have a degree influence over our politicians, ( IE:  wars are fought over mineral resources, pricing control etc.) and Big Pharma being one of them, some folks may see Mr. Djokovic as taking a stance over Pharmacanaziism!  Or could it be Pharmafacism ?

 

Just  a thought.

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What are you thoughts on Mr. Djokovic and a non-vax cert status? Is there validity when jabbed folk can be spreaders?

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Actually - catch up - it was not jabs - it was breaking the Health Laws - in this - our country - put in place to protect us all. 

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I have followed Mr Djokovic's tennis career virtually since he appeared on the circuit. His tennis skills are incredible. But his conduct on the court has set a poor example for kids. I know very little about him off court other than he appears to be a liar who attempted to enter tennis tournaments with falsified medical exemptions.  I don't know what his stance is on vaccinations and I don't care. I do not respect him as a person. I may pay attention to his views in the future if he displays more honesty and less selfishness. 

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forget about his non-vax Certificate and consider this:

 

- he disregarded the laws of his own country (when he knew he had COVID) by attending an interview with a journalist . . . CONCLUSION: Novak did not follow the right protocols.

 

- he, or his representative (doesn’t really matter who filled in his documents), presented false information on his travel documents to enter Australia . . . CONCLUSION: Novak made a false declaration about his recent travels (at the time).

 

 

I don’t intend to pick through the other reasons for ND being booted from Australia . . . but the two I have listed above would be enough to sustain the ‘poses a risk to public order’ (or some similar wording) reason for booting him out.

 

Personally, I hope he is denied entry for the next three years as prescribed in legislation for Visa Cancelled individuals.

 

 

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