Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution

[j*oono]

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

[the_great_she_elephant]

I hope I'm wrong too, Joono.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

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I saw the mother on TV crying and pleading I just can't imagine how much heart ache she must be going through.

The fact is: You can't fool around with drugs in death penalty countries! It is well known what happens if you get caught.

I think there are 2 possibilities of what could happen:

1.  Sentenced to life without parole (in filthy conditions) they don't get playstation, tv, games room, gyms like in Australia.

or

2.  Shot by firing squad.

I don't like either choices.

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It's not a case of liking it. But if you ONLY had those 2 choices which will it be. To me the obvious choice is 2. If I want someone to suffer I'll choose 1. 

Let me make it obvious. Say there's a dog. Which is worst for it? locking it in a small cage for the rest of its life or end its life. 

[polksaladallie]

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@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:

It's not a case of liking it. But if you ONLY had those 2 choices which will it be. To me the obvious choice is 2. If I want someone to suffer I'll choose 1. 

Let me make it obvious. Say there's a dog. Which is worst for it? locking it in a small cage for the rest of its life or end its life. 

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Mr Sanford (from the other thread which has disappeared) has chosen to live in a small cage for the next 60 years minimum. 

I suspect that the Australian prisoners in Indonesia whose lives have been spared are hoping for some reprieve in the future. 

[bluecat*dancing]

An interesting article about Kerobokan Prison including some info on Chan and Sukumaran. They do sound as though they have turned their lives around and are helping others as well. Its been 10 years. They do deserve a second chance and it is such a shame that this happened in Indonesia [or any other death penalty country].

http://www.smh.com.au/world/hard-hot-but-not-all-hell-20120616-20gk1.html

[polksaladallie]

When I offered the same information about the conditions in some Indonesian jails last year, I was pilloried and told that I was hallucinating.

[bluecat*dancing]

The day is yet young so there is still plenty of time for the pilloring to take place. Perhaps we share the same hallucinations?

[village_person]

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@j*oono wrote:

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

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Purely our of necessity. I don't recall one of them showing any inclination to turn his hand to art while he stuffed drugs into plastic bags nor do I recall the other one training for the clergy while he stuffed drugs into a plastic bag.

[2106greencat]

Sorry joono,

I feel for them, but the law is the law of that land, and they did break those laws, knowingly.

Drugs and the ongoing effects kill (more often) than the death penalty.

It is not only the deaths of the addicted, but the lives that are lost in a cascading effect through the addiction to drugs....

[bluecat*dancing]

OMG! Were you there when they did that?

I'm glad that they were caught before the heroin that they were trying to smuggle out hit the streets but I am not glad that they face the death penalty. They made a mistake, have spent ten years in a jail, away from home, with the knowledge that they could be executed at any time, and yet, they have turned their lives around.

[j*oono]

That's ok, we can agree to disagree but I think the law is wrong. Other things like alcohol have a horrible follow on effect but they are legal.   

I can't really even say I'm against the death penalty because there are crimes that I think do deserve it.  Why waste any effort on rehabilitating someone that abducts and tortures and rapes and murders a child.