Another day, another woman dies in a domestic murder

[i-need-a-martini]

What's that? 18? 19 this year alone?

I can't fathom why the government (and society) isn't attacking this situation head on? Is it because these are women?

This one didn't even make front page news. The cricket win did.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/woman-stabbed-to-death-daughter-injured-during-domestic-dispute-20150330-1...

[gleee58]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Okay, but I wonder how many of those who died, sought any legal advice prior.  

DEB

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WHY?

What difference does it make to you if they did seek legal advice or were too afraid to or didn't know where to turn to for help?

It's not only legal services that have had funding slashed.  The financial support states receive to fund DV crisis centres is under the axe too.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Okay, but I wonder how many of those who died, sought any legal advice prior.  

DEB

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The reason the funding to the legal entities was restored was because it was found that a third of all cases handled by legal teams related to helping people (particularly women) who were victims of domestic violence.

Many of these women don't have access to money and lawyers. Many of them don't know their legal rights in particular in regards to finances, assets and custody of their children. It is often those 3 things that keep women tied to these men.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@lloydslights wrote:

I realize the need for legal services for domestic violence.  And frankly, I believe the funding is more to pay for the wages of lawyers, advocates, etc than for actual victims.  And appears to be more for after the event.  

The question I have, is what can be done to prevent the violence in the first place.  I don't have the answer.

DEB

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The only thing that will prevent this is education. And sadly the cuts in this area have not been restored.

Education and advocacy is the area the government should have been putting MORE money into and instead they removed it altogether.

I suspect that the restoration to legal funding is because Brandis is a lawyer himself so understood the plight of not having funding to help a client.

[softail-joanie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye3INqFaXT0 . . . . . . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv65OYKoy_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9h-sJzIZ7Q . . . . . . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4MBH_v87M8

I won't say had she been armed, this could have been prevented, theres no way to know, but, id like her chances better.

Suzanna Gratia Hupp- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis

On October 16, 1991, Hennard drove his 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway in Killeen, yelled "This is what Bell County has done to me!", then opened fire on the restaurant's patrons and staff with a Glock 17 pistol and later a Ruger P89. About 80 people were in the restaurant at the time. He stalked, shot, and killed 23 people and wounded another 20 before committing suicide. During the shooting, he approached Suzanna Gratia Hupp and her parents. Hupp had actually brought a handgun to the Luby's Cafeteria that day, but had left it in her vehicle due to the laws in force at the time, forbidding citizens from carrying firearms.

Massacre survivor defends gun rights- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwadYRL_vVg

Brooke Baldwin talks to Suzanna Hupp who defends her right to carry a gun. Hupp survived the 1991 Luby's shooting.

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I can't fathom why the government (and society) isn't attacking this situation head on? Is it because these are women? This one didn't even make front page news. The cricket win did.

Is that supposed to be a joke? The news probibly played it down because this woman, and other victims men included, have been made vunrable by the government who can't protect them every minute of their day throught their lives even if this government had nothing but good intentions. Here it's mostly football that takes presidence with the news.

Boycott NFL- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb_CAQT2ZIA

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[cherry*135]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Okay, but I wonder how many of those who died, sought any legal advice prior.  

DEB

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How many  (victims of domestic violence)  didn't die, because they used advocacy services (funding to remain cut)  and sought legal aid?

Women's Domestic Violence Court Advocacy Services help women and children obtain legal protection from domestic violence and also help with other needs including accessing support services and legal advice. WDVCASs service 108 local courts across NSW.

• Domestic Violence Practitioner Service, Legal Aid NSW
  Private solicitors, based in a number of local courts across NSW, are paid by Legal Aid NSW to give free independent advice to women experiencing domestic violence (including police clients) on ADVOS, family law, care and protection and victim’s compensation matters. They can also refer clients to other services for more legal help.
  
  
• Domestic violence: Where to refer clients This factsheet has information on services that can assist people in domestic violence situations.

http://www.legalaid.nsw.gov.au/for-lawyers/resources-and-tools/domestic-violence

[gleee58]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

I won't say had she been armed, this could have been prevented, theres no way to know, but, id like her chances better.

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Joannie, please read the thread before spamming it with youtube videos.

This discussion is specifically about domestic violence in Australia.  It is not the place for the promotion of your views about gun laws.

[softail-joanie]

This discussion is specifically about domestic violence in Australia

that only tells me that you didn't look at anything in the first 4 videos, All Australia

[lurker172602]

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@lloydslights wrote:

Okay, but I wonder how many of those who died, sought any legal advice prior.  

DEB

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Tara Costigan did.

But it can be revealed that Ms Costigan sought the help of the court system to protect her against Rappel on Friday, just one day before the alleged murder.

An interim domestic violence order – designed to immediately protect those at risk from further violence – was granted by the court.

more here

[gleee58]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

This discussion is specifically about domestic violence in Australia

that only tells me that you didn't look at anything in the first 4 videos, All Australia

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Nope, I didn't. The comment about guns making a difference was the decider for me not to.

[i-need-a-martini]

And can you imagine how high the incident of murder would be if these households had a gun within the reach of men who so far are only resorting to physical violence?