Aussie Elections - What a Dilemma.

Voters don't like Shorten and don't trust Turnbull.

 

The problem for our country when an election becomes a choice between big party leaders perceived to be “bad versus worse” is that voters look elsewhere.

Unlike US voters who have primary campaigns, Australian voters can’t support insurgencies inside the main parties so express their dismay with politics-as-usual by voting for independents and minor parties — and that’s why I think we are cruising for a total disaster in the Senate unless something changes.

The most confident prediction anyone can make so far, with 25 per cent of voters opting for neither the Coalition nor Labor, is that the new Senate will be even more populist than the last.

MORE than halfway through this interminable election campaign, it’s obvious that many Labor voters don’t like Bill Shorten and many Liberal and National voters are still not sold on Malcolm Turnbull.

It’s clear how Shorten is trying to deal with this: by spending more on health and education to win back Labor’s base and by making extravagant promises on climate change to woo the Greens.

It’s not so clear how Turnbull is responding: he’ll be pleased the campaign is back on economic turf but he still hasn’t moved enough of the uncommitted vote to his side of the ledger and his superannuation changes still tell the Liberal base you don’t really matter because you have nowhere else to go.

The problem for our country when an election becomes a choice between big party leaders perceived to be “bad versus worse” is that voters look elsewhere.

Unlike US voters who have primary campaigns, Australian voters can’t support insurgencies inside the main parties so express their dismay with politics-as-usual by voting for independents and minor parties — and that’s why I think we are cruising for a total disaster in the Senate unless something changes.

The most confident prediction anyone can make so far, with 25 per cent of voters opting for neither the Coalition nor Labor, is that the new Senate will be even more populist than the last.

This should worry every Australian who elects a government to get on with governing because an obstructionist Senate means that securing the economic reform and budget repair our country needs will be harder than ever.

Federal elections almost always turn on who can best be trusted to keep our economy strong and our country safe. While the government should be returned, particularly after Labor’s release of a disastrous 10-year budget forecast last week, neither side has a credible plan for budget repair, even though we know we can’t endlessly live on the nation’s credit card.

Neither side has a credible tax reform plan, even though lower, simpler, fairer taxes are essential for our long-term prosperity. Labor actually thinks that taxes are too low, although it insists the only people who need to pay more are rich investors, big companies and smokers.

The Coalition accepts that taxes are too high but is paying for a company tax cut in 10 years’ time with a superannuation tax increase now.

Both sides accept that the deficit has to be dealt with but, petrified by the sabotage of the 2014 budget, neither is prepared to take anything away from anyone — except from self-funded retirees whom the Coalition thinks it can’t lose and Labor thinks it can’t win.

National security is not being talked about at all even though Russia continues to threaten its neighbours, China is increasingly throwing its weight around in our region, Islamic extremists are still threatening “death to the infidel” on the battlefields of the Middle East and the streets of Europe, and the US has never looked less strong and less certain. Defence does get a mention from the Coalition but only as a job creation scheme for South Australia.

It is clear that the Government has had a good week but a lot of that is because the Opposition has had a shocker. Yet when an election is contested on the economic playing field, it tilts to the Coalition’s advantage.

With three weeks to go, the unusually high vote parked with “other” is an opportunity for both leaders. Neither side has cut through. For Shorten, he’s still dogged by the baggage of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years and he’s not trusted on the economy.

On the evidence of this campaign so far, neither leader appears to have really grabbed the campaign by the throat. It is there for the taking and with it, a large block of Australians who have parked their vote with ‘other’ in almost every published poll.

For Labor, I fear its folly with 10-year policies and a worsening budget position over the forward estimates will be seen by voters as just the latest way of avoiding hard decisions now. Shorten has to take this head on (and deal with his premier ‘mates’ who are blowing up his campaign).

For the Coalition, it is a dual ask — more policy detail so that voters can make an informed decision, and a prime minister out in the media more often so that we can hear his pitch directly and get to know the man. Both parties have to trust us and have an honest conversation.

We’re not fools and ultimately we don’t respect those who treat us as if we were. The trouble when politicians won’t trust the people is that the people won’t trust the politicians either.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/peta-credlin-voters-dont-like-bill-shorten-and-dont-trust-malcolm-t...

Sorry for the huge C&P, but the link will take you to a paywall, so I copied the whole article.

I have nothing but distaste for either leader, but not sure who else there is that could have a chance getting in.

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esayaf
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Welcome to the cult of personality. Where nothing matters except whether you like someone or not.
Jamie Briggs is a sleazy harasser of women but Malcolm likes him so he is ok.
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Funny how cutting the heads off the elite in France worked.
Every time the government gets an idea that the population don't like they riot and remind those in power what can happen.
No way lazy useless Australians would ever do anything constructive and that's why we have the losers we have running the country.
Just watch ball sports and get drunk.
Everything sucks and you're all **bleep**ed
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@esayaf wrote:
Funny how cutting the heads off the elite in France worked.
Every time the government gets an idea that the population don't like they riot and remind those in power what can happen.
No way lazy useless Australians would ever do anything constructive and that's why we have the losers we have running the country.
Just watch ball sports and get drunk.
Everything sucks and you're all **bleep**ed

Geez, it is nice to know what you think of Australians.  Thanks for sharing.

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sooo, how many times have you put your hand up to get elected to parliment to change this problem?

 

or do you just sit on your fat butt throwing stones?

 

as i said, there are plenty of countries where the type of government your promoting is still happening, why arnt you living in one of them?

 

oh yeah, in those countries it works both ways, plenty of big mouthed twerps just dissapear. some are seen again, well their heads anyway.

 

but that wouldnt frighten you would it. so, off ya go. send us a post card.

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Voters don't like Shorten and don't trust Turnbull.

 

Wanna trade?, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump here.

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Funny how cutting the heads off the elite in France worked.

 

 

Only  you call Robespierre's 'Reign Of Terror' working.

 

In October(1793)  the Convention passed the Decree on Emergency Government. This authorized the revolutionary government to suspend peacetime rights and legal safeguards and to employ coercion and violence. Saint-Just decreed that the government ‘would be revolutionary until the peace’.

 

The constitution was shelved: the libertarian ideals of the Revolution were suspended, indefinitely. Sans-culottes formed armed militias to go out into the provinces to requisition supplies for the armies and the urban populace and to root out counter-revolutionaries.

 

In October Brissot and other Girondin leaders, as well as Marie-Antoinette went to the guillotine. 

 

For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal.

 

Unlike the later meaning of ‘terrorists’ as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention. 

- See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/marisa-linton/robespierre-and-terror#sthash.WqzPuoS2.dpuf

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For further enlightenment I suggest you read Animal Farm - bearing in mind that Orwell was a Socialist.

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well, looks like they are trying your idea out in the uk

 

you must be so pleased


@esayaf wrote:
No dilemma. Shoot them all and start again. Guaranteed the replacements would be better because they would be aware of what would happen to them if they weren't

 

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Esayaf is never pleased about anything,  it seems

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@mainecoon1 wrote:

I always thought it was policy you voted for not the leaders I don't really care if I like the leaders or not. Unfortunately the press has made it all about the leaders and not the party policies.  I am in a dilemma as I don't like the liberals version of the NBN and what they want to do with medicare and I don't like what labour want to do with negative gearing.   I am also over all this campaign it has gone on for to long I seem to do nothing but dodge people giving out political flyers .


The only trouble with voting on policy is the fact that it's getting increasingly hard to pin the parties down on what that is.  And even if they state their policies, they are only election promises.....worth nothing once they get in power.

 

I hate both major parties, but the Labor mob have made some statements that are better concerning my employment than what the Liberals have been saying.  Trouble is...they are both so full of it, who really knows what will happen.

 

BTW, looking at the assortment of minor groups running for the Senate, at least the Pirate Party sounds like an honest name.  IMO all pollies are pirates of one kind or another when it comes to how they treat taxpayers. Smiley Frustrated

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