on 12-07-2014 11:28 AM
Australian convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf reportedly continued to receive a disability pension months after arriving on the battlefields of Syria.
Sharrouf, who fled Australia for Syria using his brother's passport on December 6, continued to receive his disability support pension at least until February, about two months after he left Australia to join insurgents fighting the Syrian government, The Weekend Australian says.
The newspaper says revelations that the former Sydney man was paid his regular disability cheque - about $766 a fortnight - long after authorities knew he was gone raise the possibility that the taxpayer may have been inadvertently funding his activities.
It is not clear if Sharrouf accessed the money, the newspaper says, but his journey to Syria took him through Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey, countries where he would have had ready access to any money paid into his bank account.
Sharrouf was jailed in 2005 for nearly four years for possessing six clocks and 140 batteries connected to a terrorist conspiracy in which 18 men were convicted over plans to attack targets in NSW and Victoria.
He's come full circle hasn't he?
The parents come here to escape war and terror and give their kids a better life. Then the kids go back to the old country keep the viscious circle going.
All at Aussie taxpayers expense.
Very disappointing.
12-07-2014 02:15 PM - edited 12-07-2014 02:16 PM
supernova - However, pensioners are allowed to travel, albeit only for limited time. This man left on somebody else's passport, but being out of Australia would have no effect on his pension until the time limit expired.
Human Services Minister - Ms Payne
Sharrouf’s case was complicated by the fact that he left on his brother’s passport, suggesting there was a delay before police notified the Department of Human Services, a possibility alluded to by Ms Payne: “In relation to those who leave the country unlawfully, the government relies on advice from the relevant security and law enforcement agencies in relation to residency questions and cannot act until such advice is received.’’
(Link and further comment by the Minister, in post 3)
We had a thread here about people on DSP living overseas permanently - in reaction to a fudged story in the Daily Telegraph.
If DSP recipients who are assesed as no longer having any work capacity at all, they can live overseas permanently and still receive the DSP.
For others on DSP who do have some work capacity, the amount of time they can spend overseas has been reduced from 6 weeks to 4 weeks now.
on 12-07-2014 03:34 PM
@tall_bearded01 wrote:Obviously you have never spent time in uniform.
Persons who are employed on combat operations require of level of physical and mental fitness far in excess of what is required of persons in the general workforce.
Therefore I simply can’t come to grips with the obvious tension between the facts that on the one hand he is so disabled that he can’t work at all, but at the same time he can survive in one of the most hostile environments on the planet (a war zone).
That is either he is incredibly lucky or he has a far great capacity to undertake strenuous activities than he had lead his doctors here to believe.
You don't need to have spent time in uniform to understand commonsense.
In regards to his caabilities, I am sure this is the case in the Australian military.
But he ISN'T in the AUSTRALIAN military. And as I said earlier, I doubt very much that a terrorist organisation is fussy about the physical or mental health of it's recruits.
And lets say the terrorists were picky about their recruits but he is on a pension for a mental disability, how would they know this when he looks physically strong.
It;'s a nonsense argument unless you can tell me that these terrorists have a screening against disability to join their forces or perhaps you can tell me what disability he has?
on 12-07-2014 04:03 PM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:And lets say the terrorists were picky about their recruits but he is on a pension for a mental disability, how would they know this when he looks physically strong._____________________________________________________________________________________________
I'd suggest that the terrorists aren't picky at all. What would they care about any mental disability as long as he's young and fighting fit. They don't need thinkers, they need the easily led. With an independent income, in many cases not via the australian taxpayer.
He's not the only one, there are many more like him.
on 12-07-2014 04:39 PM
@icyfroth wrote:_____________________________________________________________________________________________
He's not the only one, there are many more like him.
Where are the many more like him fighting with terrorists?
Why didn't the murdoch rags report about those while they were reflogging this story?
on 12-07-2014 04:47 PM
@cherples wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:_____________________________________________________________________________________________
He's not the only one, there are many more like him.
Where are the many more like him fighting with terrorists?
Why didn't the murdoch rags report about those while they were reflogging this story?
probably saving that little yarn for the eminently interesting bolt the dolt show what's the tag line for his "show" - tall tales and never true?
on 12-07-2014 05:07 PM
@cherples wrote:
"Where are the many more like him fighting with terrorists?
Why didn't the murdoch rags report about those while they were reflogging this story?"
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As many as 300 young Australians are estimated to have left for the Middle East with hopes of joining the battles, according to sources close to families and communities in western Sydney.
on 12-07-2014 05:27 PM
@icyfroth wrote:I'd suggest that the terrorists aren't picky at all. What would they care about any mental disability as long as he's young and fighting fit.
I am sure they do not care about anything, and you do not even need to be very fit to sit on a roof and take pot shots at people on the street. So what that somebody may have physical disability, it may mean they get killed more easily; do you think the ISIS guys care?
on 13-07-2014 04:01 AM
This article is not about stirring up hate and bigotry, which seems the catchcry of some who support this criminal terrorist and try to find an example of some other nameless person to support their twist on it.
Most don't feel he has the right to be supported in his jihad against the very people and country who pay his pension.
on 13-07-2014 06:54 AM
“Why don't you try it then and see if your 'theory' is accurate? You must think your condition/disability would not make you eligible for DSP, if as you say, you would have to 'fool' a Dr into certifying your condition as being eligible for the DSP.”
Maybe you missed this bit
“After leaving the military, I worked in disability insurance for nearly 20 years and I can assure you I know how easily doctors can be bought”. Yes, shock horror, there are medical professionals out there whose medical opinion is pretty much founded on the expectations of those who are paying the bills.
Now add “As for having applied for a DSP, though severely disabled, I couldn’t be bothered because my DFRDB combined with funds received progressively selling off my accumulated assets (my book collection), provide me with enough to get by.”
As for my disabilities, let’s just say they are of the kind which means I am in constant pain requiring the scripts for pain relieving medication which cannot be prescribed on a repeat basis. That is, to obtain the medication I’m required to go to my doctor every four weeks at which time the next script for the following 28 days is issued. Needless to say the pain has also led to recurring bouts of severe depression.
That is what I wrote was not based on a theory. I’m speaking from personal experience.
As for, “What influences? How about being bullied at school for looking different, and witnessing Muslims being called terrorists, and told to go "home", and women wearing hijab on the street being spat on? The hatred shown against people from middle eastern countries is worse than any other bigoted prejudice against any wave of new migrants before.”
Such statement beggars’ belief and are akin to excusing paedophilia because the offender were themselves molested as a child.
As for “You don't need to have spent time in uniform to understand commonsense”
You don’t seem to get my point.
I agree entirely that these kinds of organisations have little regard for the survivability of their fighters, with their only selection criteria being, are you a true believer and fit enough to carry a gun. Then from that point onwards whether you live or die is in God’s hands
However my post was directed towards something else entirely; survivability. That is, once the bullets start flying, your life expectancy will be determined by your mental and physical fitness, where the survivability of the weak (both physical and mental) can be counted in minutes if not less.
So unless he has been sidelined somewhere, with his sole responsibility being to guard a broken down tank (Hicks, who isn’t the sharpest tool in any ones shed), then the mere fact that he has been placed into that environment and continues to survive in it, indicates a level of capacity (both physical and mental) well in excess to what he was asserting when resident here.
on 13-07-2014 07:44 AM
I agree that there are doctors who do not obey the "rules". There are doctors who continue to allow old people to drive when they shouldn't, there are doctors who write sick certificates for those who are not sick, there used to be doctors whose names were given to girls who found themselves pregnant, there are doctors who prescribe when they shouldn't, etc. etc. Some are not the gods that they have been considered as being in the past.