Australians with disabilities need some positive help

[donnashuggy]

Seems like they are being punished instead and life is going to be made harder for them.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

to poddster

Donna, fraud is relevant to ALL Australian taxpayers.

Re assessment of people with disabilities is a way to minimise the fraud that is inherent in  the system.

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example/s please?

Proof?

Where do you get this from?!!

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you didn't read the link I provided either, eh?

[donnashuggy]

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

Donna, did you read this link?

Easy access to welfare is over: Andrews

Mr Andrews confirmed the budget, to be delivered on Tuesday night, will introduce rules that mean some people collecting the DSP disability support pension will be reviewed for capacity to work.

That will apply to some 10-20,000 people who had gone onto the DSP in the last 5-6 years but not yet assessed under new impairment tables.

"If they are capable of working, whether it is full-time or part-time, then our expectation is that they should be working," he said.

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Nothing there about positive help, no jobs...NUFFIN

Hopefully you will get the jist of the thread soon 🙂

[poddster]

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The Department of Human Services says its hotline has received 1,116 Medicare-related tip-offs since July 1, 2013.

Officers have investigated 275 cases, which has translated into 34 cases submitted to the Commonwealth Department of Public Prosecutions and 12 convictions.

The value of those 12 cases adds up to an estimated $474,000, with fraudsters ripping off an average of almost $40,000 each."

[*crikey*mate*]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

I personally would think that it would be very difficult for anyone without a genuine disablity to get a diagnosis as there are quite stringent diagnostic procedures in place already, often involves the imput of three or more specialists.

But to aim and 'hit out' at the disabled.....saying that they are fraudsters because they have a diagnosis is unethical, sick and unacceptable.

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Where have they said that all those who collect the DSP are fraudsters?

I bel;ieve that it may be a case of saying that some are, but not all.

Would you consider either of those examples i provided as fraudsters if they said "we can't work" and collected the DSP?

I would, because clearly they can work and study and in reasonable kinds of jobs too

[bella_again · Accepted solution]

The 2012 disability scales make it very very difficult for people to gain access to the DSP. Anxiety alone won't do it and the reason why people are granted DSP is because they lack the capacity to work in many cases due to the level of disability.  Look up the Adult Disability tool.  It is very difficult to get a score of over 25 ( I think it is, you will need to look for yourself) to be on DSP with no work component.

http://guides.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/guidelines_tables.pdf

The problem is that years ago they put a lot of people on the DSP with few or no reviews, that is now changing with ever increasing reassessments and judging by the news will change to forcing younger recipients to be reassessed under the 2012 scales. These days you can be half dead and still not access it because your condition might improve.

But I think you have to look at the bigger picture, its all very well to push people with disabilities into gaining employment but the bottom line is it won't achieve anything if there are no jobs out there for them.  Do the math 140,000 jobs to 800,000 people looking for work according to ACOSS.  These jobs are going to magically appear where??? And who will employ a disabled person over someone with no disability? Very few I'd say.

Crikey I think the person you've mentioned is possibly an exception which is great.  But lets be realistic.  I read about a lady with 3 degrees in a wheelchair.  Highly capable but no one would give her work.  Why?  because no one wanted to have to make modifications to the work place.  Sadly there is also another group who really don't have the capacity to work, its just the reality.

The government isn't interested in helping to improve their quality of life lets look at the motivation here.  It's about saving a buck at the expense of the most vulnerable in this country.  There is no crisis, they are pandering to the high end of town.  Sadly it will result in more hatred and discrimination against the disabled because many are ignorant and ill informed forcing more into poverty and homelessness.  I think the media also has a role in this, they have added to the discrimination and bullying tactics of the government with some of their headlines.

As far as I am concerned our government is morally and ethically bankrupt.  It would cucify this countries poorest to satisfy the higher end of town.

[freakiness · Accepted solution]

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@poddster wrote:

Made harder for these people, a good idea dont you think?

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The Department of Human Services says its hotline has received 1,116 Medicare-related tip-offs since July 1, 2013.

Officers have investigated 275 cases, which has translated into 34 cases submitted to the Commonwealth Department of Public Prosecutions and 12 convictions.

The value of those 12 cases adds up to an estimated $474,000, with fraudsters ripping off an average of almost $40,000 each."

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WOW! 12 people out of how many?

[fourandsixpants · Accepted solution]

Well as the OP thread heading states:Australians with disabilities need some positive help.

Where is this 'help' then???? Because at the moment the proposed agenda of this coalition MOBSTER lot is to put this targeted group of people through absolute HELL.....again. Don't you think these people have already been through enough?

[izabsmiling]

Poddster fyi

Demonising disability pensioners won’t help them into work. by Ryan Batchelor

04 February 2014 in New Progressive Thinking

  The government needs to find a better way.

Manufacture a crisis. Find a scapegoat. Vilify them. Take ‘drastic’ action.

It is policy making straight from the conservative playbook. Yet again we have seen it from Liberal Minister Kevin Andrews as he ramps up his attack on disability pensioners and their carers.

Claims of an unsustainable welfare system are all about laying the groundwork for deep cuts to some of the most vulnerable in our community. As with all scare campaigns, the truth is a little different to the myths being peddled.

check out the myths and Facts

http://www.chifley.org.au/demonising-disability-pensioners-wont-help-them-into-work/

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

Donna, did you read this link?

Easy access to welfare is over: Andrews

Mr Andrews confirmed the budget, to be delivered on Tuesday night, will introduce rules that mean some people collecting the DSP disability support pension will be reviewed for capacity to work.

That will apply to some 10-20,000 people who had gone onto the DSP in the last 5-6 years but not yet assessed under new impairment tables.

"If they are capable of working, whether it is full-time or part-time, then our expectation is that they should be working," he said.

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Nothing there about positive help, no jobs...NUFFIN

Hopefully you will get the jist of the thread soon 🙂

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I've got the jist Donna, I just don't believe in the expectation that the government should do everything but wipe my bum for me.

There are already a LOT of things in place where those with disabilities wanting to work are assisted. Independent job agencies where the government pays them to find them jobs.

One young man, his employer is paid a fee to compensate for his disability, extra money for time needed for doctors etc. They even provide the money for clothes for the interview, resumes and then, in the case of one example, (a category 3???) was provided with $1000 to buy the tools and equipment he needed to start his apprenticeship as a chef.

another young lad, they paid for 80 hours of a driving instructor so he could get his drivers licence so he could work as a delivery driver.

You're just looking at a small portion of this Donna, you're not looking at what help is out there and already provided.

[bella_again · Accepted solution]

I agree paints there is no help.  The reality is the mps in their ivory towers really don't understand how to best help the disabled because they haven't taken time to understand the issues around disability.  I am all for people to have an opportunity to work but you have to support them in that,  Not plunge them into further poverty so they can't even afford a roof over their heads then say we want you to have a better quality of life....